Why do religionists hate us so much?

As we go through our hatemail, we often wonder why religious people get so ANGRY with us, threatening violence, cursing at us, on occasion vandalizing our property, and so on. What gives?

Religionists (in this country, and many other places) have what’s called religious privilege. This is a term in social justice that means certain societal advantages built into our culture that are, by tradition, expected by religious people, propagated by religious people, and defended fiercely by religious people. (Our culture also has white privilege, male privilege, etc). Some examples of religious privilege are listed at the bottom of this post.

One reason people get so angry at our activism is that they perceive our actions not as protecting and fighting for our rights, but as THEIR loss of privilege, even if they wouldn’t word it that way.

The so-called “War on Christmas” is a great example: Christians have had the privilege of assuming this is a “Christian nation” for long enough that they get upset when we assert our place in society as non-Christians.

Losing privilege is certainly no fun. It does feel like you’re losing something, even if it’s something you had unjustly in the first place. When you are accustomed to certain advantages, and you start to lose those advantages, life is harder. Anyone who lost a lot of money in the housing bubble etc knows this feeling, or, say, if you’re a Muslim living in a predominantly Muslim country and you move to the United States. If you used to be able-bodied and become disabled, you will quickly see how uncomfortable and unaccommodating the world can be toward you.

Atheists who were formerly religious can experience the same thing. It is just as difficult for us to lose those privileges as it is for religious people who remain religious to lose them when our activism works to equalize things.

I think it’s important that we keep in mind that religionists have reasons to be upset at us. They aren’t good reasons, but there are reasons. By helping them understand that we are defending equal rights, not special rights, I think we can be on better terms with religionists. Similarly by helping them see that they currently have special rights, perhaps they will be more understanding of our perspective.

– Dave Muscato, Public Relations Director

Some examples of religious privilege from columnist Sam Killerman:

– You can expect to have time off work to celebrate religious holidays (e.g. the government shuts down on your religious holidays).
– Music and television programs pertaining to your religion’s holidays are readily accessible.
– It is easy to find stores that carry items that enable you to practice your faith and celebrate religious holidays.
– You aren’t pressured to celebrate holidays from another faith that may conflict with your religious values.
– Holidays celebrating your faith are so widely supported you can often forget they are limited to your faith (e.g. wish someone a “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Easter” without considering their faith).
– You can worship freely, without fear of violence or threats.
– A bumper sticker supporting your religion won’t likely lead to your car being vandalized.
– You can practice your religious customs without being questioned, mocked, or inhibited.
– If you are being tried in court, you can assume that the jury of “your peers” will share your faith and not hold that against you in weighing decisions.
– When swearing an oath, you will place your hand on a religious scripture pertaining to your faith.
– Positive references to your faith are seen dozens of times a day by everyone, regardless of their faith.
– Politicians responsible for your governance are probably members of your faith.
– Politicians can make decisions citing your faith without being labeled as heretics or extremists.
– It is easy for you to find your faith accurately depicted in television, movies, books, and other media.
– You can reasonably assume that anyone you encounter will have a decent understanding of your beliefs.
– You will not be penalized (socially or otherwise) for not knowing other people’s religious customs.
– Your faith is accepted/supported at your workplace.
– You can go into any career you want without it being associated with or explained by your faith.
– You can travel to any part of the country and know your religion will be accepted, safe, and you will have access to religious spaces to practice your faith.
– Your faith can be an aspect of your identity without being a defining aspect (e.g., people won’t think of you as their “Christian” friend)
– You can be polite, gentle, or peaceful, and not be considered an “exception” to those practicing your faith.
Fundraising to support congregations of your faith will not be investigated as potentially threatening or terrorist behavior.
– Construction of spaces of worship will not likely be halted due to your faith.
– You are never asked to speak on behalf of all the members of your faith.
– You can go anywhere and assume you will be surrounded by members of your faith.
– Without special effort, your children will have a multitude of teachers who share your faith.
– Without special effort, your children will have a multitude of friends who share your faith.
– It is easily accessible for you or your children to be educated from kindergarten through post-grad at institutions of your faith.
– Disclosing your faith to an adoption agency will not likely prevent you from being able to adopt children.
In the event of a divorce, the judge won’t immediately grant custody of your children to your ex because of your faith.
– Your faith is taught or offered as a course at most public institutions.
– You can complain about your religion being under attack without it being perceived as an attack on another religion.
– You can dismiss the idea that identifying with your faith bears certain privileges.

  • Charles Medlin

    Why do religionists hate us so much? Well, religionists have killed over 2 billion people over all, so hating is their method – they believe something but another person believe something else, so they kill that person, apparently.

    • panama

      Have you ever heard of false religion? I guess not.

      • Not This Sh*t Again.

        You mean Christianity and every other religion? Yeah, we’ve all heard of those.

      • JUDY WEISMONGER

        All religions are false….why? Because religions are based on magic and supernaturalism, that DOES NOT EXIST.

        • panama

          I agree to a certain extent…all religion is false indeed. But what I believe is not religious as religion is man made. Even atheism is a religion (look it up). So atheism is also false per your own words.

          • Cthulhu21

            All religions are man-made, dispite claims that they are products of divine inspiration. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods that is reached after careful consideration (ideally). Lastly, what the frick does “is not as religous as religion” mean?

          • Mike

            He was just missing a comma. The sentence should have read. “…what I believe is not religious, as religion is man made”

          • Cthulhu21

            Doesn’t matter if he’d have put one in or not. Nothing changes as far as I can see.

          • Nobodo

            Atheism is not a religion, and it is ridiculous to assert that it is.

            Perhaps the most common and fundamental characteristic of religion is a belief in supernatural beings – usually, but not always, including gods.

            Atheism is a lack of belief in such things.

            I guess you must think a lack of belief in the Loch Ness Monster is a religion. A lack of belief in Bigfoot is a religion. A lack of belief aliens are removing people from their bedrooms and then putting them back hours later must be a religion in your mind too.

            By your definition a belief in any religion is actually a whole ton of religions all rolled up in one.
            A Christian doesn’t believe in the ancient Egyptian gods, so that lack of belief is by your definition a religion.
            A Christian doesn’t believe in the many gods of the Hindu faith, so that lack of belief is by your definition a religion.

            If you want to believe in a magic sandwich that was eaten for our sins, you can do that. But don’t say my lack of belief in a magic sandwich that died for our sins is a religion, because it isn’t.

  • http://www.armchairblasphemy.com/ Edwin Lyngar

    Really good analysis. I really like the comparison to “white privilege” because it makes the issue easier to understand. Thanks for sharing!

  • Jen Dowding

    One thing to keep in mind it that you are getting a skewed sample. Anyone motivated enough to write you will likely have much stronger feelings than someone who is willing to just live and let live.

    It’s like customer service; the ticked off customers are far more likely to complain than someone who got the service the expected (which is why they have to bribe you with prizes to get you to fill out their survey).

    • Nobodo

      But that doesn’t explain the way atheists are treated in public. Atheists are bombarded with religious speech even in simple conversations, yet if they dare divulge that they are atheists will be very quickly told they are going to hell and from then on ignored.

  • MJ

    This is very helpful in knowing what to say to those who do believe that this is a “christian” nation. Or those who believe they are being persecuted because we want equal rights.

    thank you.

  • david scully

    it’s simple they are weak minded and can’t handle any question about the foundation of their lives – they cannot make their own decisions

    • Robert

      I can as a christian handle any questions about the foundation of my life. Please ask and I will respond accordingly.

      • anthonykeyes

        What is the foundation of your life?

        • Still Waiting…

          I suppose he responded accordingly confused silence.

          • anthonykeyes

            seems so.

      • Judy Weismonger

        We don’t care about the foundation of your life. It is pure narcissism and paranoid schizophrenia for you and your fellow Christians to believe that we should convert to Christianity, or obey you…simply because you had a bizarre, emotional experience. You are insane.

  • Katherine

    Religionists also hate us because we POKE GIANT HOLES in their Bull Shit…and it just freaks them out. Just today, I was talking with a Reverand preacher who is a failed police officer, a failed public school teacher, and a failed preacher…(he has no church). He said he was waiting for “god to tell him what to do next.” I then said: Which version of god? He stumbled and stammered and said “I don’t want to get into that discussion right now.” meaning he knew I had him by his proverbial cajones and he had no intelligent, rational,or even a good silly answer. I usually destroy the religionists by two simple questions:

    Whose version of god are you speaking about?

    and Prove it.

    Yes, pissing the religionists off is inevitable, because almost anything you say destroys their delusions and beliefs and drags them kicking an screaming back into reality…

    What religionists also really hate…is reality. It scares the crap out of them

    • Robert

      Katherine, I disagree with your statement, I fall under the category as a “religionist” and reality doesn’t scare me nor do I run from it. I will gladly answer your two questions that seem to send “religionist” kicking and screaming.

      The version of God I listen to is that of the bible. It takes faith to believe it and to prove it, I would say a good research on biblical history will enlightened you. Though proving God is not a battle I have to fight, he has proven himself through Creation, though I assume you are a Darwin follower and even he was unsure through his research. I believe in intelligent design. Truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. It defends itself. Reality is we live in a broken country and world. People need to know what to do with real suffering and pain. I bet if you were honest and could let your guard down you would see the void in your life and would want it filled with something, something that would last.

      • Just, No.

        Robert, the clichés about Creation and Darwin in your post are ridiculous, I’m sorry. No one “follows” Darwin- you know, because he’s a scientist who died a long time ago, and his findings and research are now shared by the scientific community. Atheists don’t need a “void in their life” to be filled by something they are explicitly against (i.e. “God”) Lastly, Darwin was in no way unsure of his research. I hope you weren’t planning on quoting something he said out of context and as a sentence fragment. That would have been even less original.

      • judy weismonger

        Yep, you are scared out of your gourd, simply because the selling point of your religion is a ‘guaranteed after life” in some kind of utopian world…if you get your ticket punched and believe in imaginary gods, Jesus and his big daddy god.
        The depth of your fear is obvious, because you feel you have to believe in some of the silliest religious crap that has ever been created out of the minds of the first Christian religionists. If, as its stated in the bible, that god is Jesus, and Jesus is god, then Jesus had sex with his mother to create himself. Now if you think any rational person would believe such silliness…and 1000 other really silly and fabricated stories in the bible (Sun revolves around the Earth; rabbits have cloven feet; the earth is flat and mountains hold it down like ten pegs; Herrod killed 1000s of baby boys, a Pharoah and his entire army are killed by Red Sea swallowing them up, and it just goes on and on and on.
        The most stupid of the fairy tales created by gentile Christians was that “Jews” would break and violate Jewish law and attend a trial, and demand the execution of another Jew on Passover. Only some forger who had NO knowledge of Jewish law would write such crap…and this is EXACTLY why Jews laugh at Christians. No Jew would be running around in the street demanding death and an execution on Passover, one of the high holy days of the Jews.)
        It would sort of OK for Christians to become honest and realistic and state something that goes like this. “Christianity and the bible are simply “guides” on how to live one’s life morally, especially if the individual picks and chooses what he or she believes in the bible. But NOOOOO, you Christians state that “god” wrote the bible, even if its flawed, filled with conflicts, outrageous historical fairy tales and down right silliness, and there is ZERO proof of anything the Christians claims is true in the bible.) This is why Christianity and its believers are morally corrupt, and down right delusional…and in the end…dangerous. If you want to see what bible verses you Christians could drag out of the bible and begin the practice of slavery, murder, mass genocide, and rape…all approved of by your imaginary god and Jesus, go to http://www.evilbible.com
        The New Testament is especially copied from other religions: Mithraism, Horus and Isis, Greek and Roman gods, and the Zoroastrians….there is not one single “original” concept in the bible…none. Not even Jesus’ birthday is original, but stolen from Mithraism, and Sol Invictus, i.e. 25th of December…or Winter Solstice…to give Jesus astrological credibility. Of course, because Christians are so morally corrupt and delusional, the true history of Christianity’s origins are NEVER taught in churches, Sunday school, or theological seminaries, because if it was….Christianity would not exist, except as a bizarre, arcane moment in history.

      • judy weismonger

        The more I read your apologetics, the more I realize what a bunch of liars you are. TRUTH is backed up by PROOF…and that is physical evidence. There is NOT a single court in the United States that you can walk into it, and demand that someone be convicted and sent to prison without PROOF…physical, observable PROOF and EVIDENCE.
        The reason why you reject the idea of proof is because you have NONE. Little kids might believe your crap and lies, but intelligent, educated adults know what a con artist is when they see one.
        Because you religionist liars HAVE NO PROOF then you disavow and deny that proof is not necessary and that, you, all by your self …and ONLY YOU can recognize the truth on its own without evidence. This means you are not accountable to anyone or anything, and that in your incredible narcissism, you have now qualified yourself as mentally ill. The Christian belief system describes exactly the processes involved in Paranoid Schizophrenia.
        Christian belief and apologetics i.e. Paranoid Schizophrenia describes a belief in which YOU as a Christian thinks the entire world revolves around you, and you are the ONLY arbiter what truth and reality is, and that anyone who disputes your demands you prove your claims…is bad.
        We are not fooled…. by your arrogance, your lies, or your mental illness.

      • Chuckster

        There are two distinct gods of the Bible. 1. Old testament, fire and brimstone, vengeful, and angry God, who keeps destroying people and civilizations because they strayed (Tower of Babel, The Great Flood) and the all loving, caring father of the New Testament. Read Numbers 31 and John 3: 16.

      • morgan

        Why be so condescending?
        How DARE you say that this person has a “void” in their life?
        Atheists DO NOT have a ‘void’ in their lives.
        Who the hell are you?
        REALITY/NATURE is the lion that needs no defense.
        You guys need “apologetics.” That’s why you’re always apologizing.
        No one “follows” Darwin. “Follows” is a religionist term because none of you can lead, so you follow.
        Atheists don’t follow.
        Take your subjective conceptualizations elsewhere.

    • panama

      There’s Only one version period. One God.
      Proof: On an atheist’s death bed.

      • Wes

        So fear = Justification for the belief in god? Why are you so scared panama? Reality too hard to handle?

        • Pastor Coale

          fear can mean a healthy respect for something, can’t it?

      • Capitalize names of nations.

        THAAR’S ONLY ONE TRUE LOOOHHRD! That’s what I got from that.

      • Judy Weismonger

        Well, Panama, you are just another Idiot speaking for Atheists, as if you know any of them and witnessed their conversion on their death bed. Go ahead, show up PROOF of any Atheists, or ALL Atheists Conversion on their Death Bed. I know that you cannot do it….
        So, the question becomes: Why do you Religionists and Believers lie? Its interesting that being religious is supposed to make you believers morally and ethically superior…but what we find instead, is that you, Panama and your fellow believers lie, and lie, and lie and lie. As a believer, it appears that you cannot tell fact from fiction, and anything you make up in your own mind…is real.
        Actually, you and your fellow Believer just sound insane.

        • panama

          No one is scared… like I said, there will come a day in everyone’s life when they, man or woman will confess with their mouth that there is but one God. What about your atheist partner Voltaire? How he died in torment…saying he “loved God” and didn’t want to go to hell! LOL, the day comes for everyone…even the the “fool that has said in his heart there is no God”. (KJV)

          • judy weismonger

            Is that the very best you can do Panama? Threaten people into being converted because they are going to die? That’s it?
            OK Panama….Where is hell? What’s the address? If you are going to threaten people with hell you should at least know where it is.
            And NO, hell is not in the middle of the earth….
            By the way, the concept of “hell” was added much later when the New Testament forgeries were being written…which took 800 years to complete. The KJV that you read today, was chosen in “gay” King James’ court in the 1560s…after lots of other Christian writings were thrown out. There are dozens and dozens of “versions” of the bible….and for you to quote the KJV is just silly.
            Know this: Every one of you Christians, past and present, only have YOUR version of god that you create out of your own imagination. When you read the bible, you are not moral or intelligent enough to demand proof of what’s in the bible…backed up by either physical archeological evidence for EVERY ONE of the bible’s claims…or corollary writings of the time.
            And worse, because Christianity teaches you to cherry pick your way through the bible, you then become blind to what’s actually in the bible…in which your imaginary god demands that you kill nonbelievers, rape women with god’s permission, and engage in slavery as one of god’s mandates. NO, these are not “interpretations” …the fraud and forgeries created in the old and new testament were political statements of what a believer in god could do to nonbelievers or different believers.
            It continually amazes me about how much Christians do not know about their bible, who wrote, it and why.

          • panama

            Aha..you still avoided to answer or comment about Volaire didn’t you? Just because many Christians raped and killed people…do you think that NO atheist ever did? Think again. And you are wrong about the concept of hell. Hell it mentioned further than the NT. Read the book Job (one of the older OT writings) for a understanding on it. You are also wrong about the KJV. The KJV is the best interpretation of scripture as yes others were thrown out because too many parts were changed. The KJV is as original as it gets. The Bible was written over a period of 1600 years, took 40 various men and has one author…God. I know…you can’t grasp that. You can never convince me there’s no God….I’ve experienced the miraculous as per science can never explicate. What does science say when one is stricken with a cancer and doctors give them 1 year to live, then prayer is made, faith and trust in God thus a divine healing…no more cancer years later still alive. What does science say when one is dead…you hear that…DEAD then a preacher prays and God raises that person up. All fake according to the atheist. Well you can’t convince those that experienced such things. Sounds like you live a shallow life void of any spiritual experiences. How sad. I’ll pray for you as you just don’t know any better. God winks at your ignorance.

          • Jyotishka Misra

            What about all the other cancer patients who pray and die despite being devout?

            Human understanding of the world is incomplete. That is why scientists are hard at work researching the intricacies of the universe.

            Part of it is understanding cancer and how it affects humans. All the secrets of the medical sciences have not yet been discovered and you still choose to make it sound as if a single statistical anomaly is a good enough reason for everyone to stop working and abandon cancer treatment research entirely.

            Your statement “You can never convince me there’s no God” speaks volumes of your philosophical inflexibility. As an atheist like so many others, we seek only evidence. Invoking non-existent beings of extreme power are not our forte. Instead we dabble in truth and practice healthy skepticism. If the evidence is present, we will have no problem changing our beliefs.

            Atheism is and forever will be rooted in reality.

          • Nobodo

            panama, why do you keep mentioning Voltaire? Can you really do no better to prove your point than to bring up one specific person that lived in the 1700s? What has the life and beliefs of Voltaire got to do with the life and beliefs of people today? There are many varied and conflicting accounts of the deathbed of Voltaire, and you have no way to know which one is correct. Besides, if Voltaire did proclaim belief in god on his deathbed, what has that got to do with any other person living before or after?

            RE: your ‘miracles’… why are all miracles things which can randomly happen? You state somebody with cancer given little chance of living survives and survives only through prayer. How do you know the person didn’t just survive because he didn’t die? What about the millions of sick people that get entire congregations to pray for them but end up dying anyway? If prayer actually works why does it only work randomly? Do you ever pray for somebody that lost an arm to regenerate one? Why not? Is it because you know an arm cannot just randomly grow back, so you know it would be worthless to pray for something that doesn’t just randomly happen without prayer?

            I feel that yours is the shallow life. Do you not believe that your “life” after this one will be much better than this one? That by definition means in your mind this current life is a shallow one.

          • Chuckster

            Voltaire? That’s what you have. Give some certified numbers here.

          • Josephus Isn’t Good Enough

            “there will come a day in everyone’s life when they, man or woman will confess with their mouth that there is but one God.” So will a native of Papua New Guinea who has never met a Christian or seen a bible do this very thing? Probably not. That statement is pure rubbish.

    • Goldstein’s Son

      I pity atheists, but I don’t hate them.

      But they get a reaction when they keep telling us belief is a delusion, that we poison everything, that we are the root of all evil, etc.

      And we know they would kill us if they had the chance.

      After all, it has happened many times before.

      • Atheist

        Ha, ha. What about all the atheists that were killed during the Dark Ages by Christian bigots.
        You have a right to believe whatever you like, but no right to force us into your way of life, or even pity us for that matter. Unfortunately, this is something many atheists also do not understand.

      • Nobodo

        The funny thing is everything you said is actually more true if reversed. Example:

        “I pity christians, but I don’t hate them.

        But they get a reaction when they keep telling us we are going to hell, that we poison everything, that we are the root of all evil, etc.

        And we know they would kill us if they had the chance.

        After all, it has happened many times before.”

  • Robert

    To label all people who have faith in something “religionist” is unfair and unjust in this article. We have these so called “privileges” based on freedoms established. Just like “atheist americans” have the right to speak out and often bash the “religionist” We have the freedom to live and serve who we please. Our nation was once predominately Christian, not so much anymore, but if we were angry or hated freedoms we would have shoved Christianity down the the throats of others. Now, though Christians are not perfect we simply practiced Christianity in front of everyone, those who didn’t/do not like it have freedom to choose.

    My disagreement will always be that american atheist say is there is no absolute truth, but that statement is an absolute truth. So what if Christian absolute truth says that truth, american atheist believe has to be a lie.

    • Brian Westley

      if we were angry or hated freedoms we would have shoved Christianity down the the throats of others.

      Christians DID. Official school prayers, constitutions prohibiting atheists from public office, etc.

      • judy weismonger

        But, that is the history of Christianity….before the Founders of the US REMOVED all religious laws in the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and American Juris Prudence…..Christians murdered, tortured, and robbed millions using more than 1000 bible verses that state to “kill” nonbelievers, or different believers.
        Can anyone just imagine what horrible bible verses would be pulled out and used, to once again murder and oppress human beings in the name of god, if you Christians ever control the US Government? I fear that 1000 times more than I fear the idea of an imaginary god or hell.
        The interesting thing about you Xians is that you have not a clue what’s in your own bible….and how dangerous you Christians are. You are dangerous because the Christianity you preach is one of love and tolerance, even going so far as to claim that Democracy came from Christianity. I continue to offer a reward of $10,000 for any Christian to find one single bible verses that mentions “democracy” or even describes anything like “democracy.”
        What the bible demands in the name of god is that people obey “kings” even if they are as cruel as Caligula, in Paul’s sermon on the “divine right of kings.” Paul says that god “chooses” the world’s leaders, so we cannot rebel against evil tyrants, but simply “pray” and hope that god is going to give us a better tyrant for human beings to live under. Paul also states “three times” to “pay your taxes”…even if the taxes are unfair, and support a despot. And so now you want human beings, who value their own lives, freedom, and dignity…to obey tyrants, dictators, liars, because your imaginary god “chose” them?
        You are corrupt, without morals, and you are insane. Wanna see what’s in the bible, go to http://www.evilbible.com... and learn what’s really in your bible.

    • Judy Weismonger

      A religionist is a person who lives in a delusional mind state, who has no sense of reality, has corrupted morals and bizarre, and non existent ethics, who believes that other human beings should obey imaginary gods and divine thingies…simply because you have delusions and hallucinations.
      A religionist, is just a liar….who first lies to themselves, and then promotes that lie of divine thingies …without a shred of proof that there are divine thingies, miracles, cures, or that religion has any benefit at all. In fact, the dumber and less intelligent one is, the more religious they are.
      95% of 30,000 scientist members of the National Academy of Science stated in a survey they were ATheists. The rest, 5% were either Buddhists, Zoroastrians, or Agnostic. There is no justifiable reason for anyone to submit or subject themselves to your delusional fears and become enthralled with religion. None.
      Religionists are basically cowards, liars, and sloppy, lazy thinkers who do not have the brains or the ethics to do the actual research to find Proof of a god or gods. We’ve got your number, and the more religionists continue to expose what’s in their minds, the more we find out how corrupt, evil, silly, and insane you religionists sound.

      • scott sand

        Judy Weismonkey is about the stupidest one among them here.
        Claiming that Christians are solely responsible for all that bloodly havac in history. Even I’m not a christian but surely don’t that rubbish.

  • Ryan Sample

    By showing the holes in their arguments for God they are usually using to distort EDUCATION, of all things, they lost their leverage, which is part of their lives, meaning that showing the holes in their arguments threatens their very lifestyles.

  • AnIntelligentTheist

    I am not scared of anything. Throw you ignorant questions at me, I’ll answer them, and then you will actually have to do some personal thinking instead of having your opinions spoon-fed to you by AA. Ask your silly questions away. Im waiting….

    • Real

      It’s ok God gave us free will. God does not force people to believe in him. It’s your choice . Therefore there is no argument. I’m sure that at some point someone has told you God loves you . I’m sure at some point someone has said we are all rotten people every last one of us therefore he sent Jesus to bridge the gap between us and God , as long as someone has told you that it is your God given freedom to accept it or reject it. There is no argument . Anyone who argues with you or who provokes you to get angry has missed the whole point themselves of what they are trying to share with you .

    • Nobodo

      First please explain which god or gods you believe in, and which bits and pieces of the literature of your god(s) you believe in and which you discard. Without that info, it is hard to know what types of questions you should even be asked.

    • Nobodo

      Do you really think most atheists have their opinions spoon-fed from this website? I’ve been an atheist for the past 45 years and only saw this website for the first time a few days ago.

      Are you saying your opinions are spoon-fed from your church?

  • Will Landers

    I’m just confused why atheists really care why religious beliefs are seen in public ,schools etc. I just don’t understand why they care any lest bit whatsoever. So atheists believe in nothing , that we will rot in the ground when we die, fine. However are they scared that they may be duped my someone into believing in some religious being or afterlife? Best case you obtain that great afterlife you were duped into believing or you rot in the ground which coincides with atheist beliefs. I don’t see why atheists try to be activists about theory belief of not believing. Christianity however says to go forth and witness to others. How can this really shake up an atheist? Will they be forced to believe anything ? No. If they do they may benefit from something better than being maggot feed which is what they believe. So quit with the whole church and state and just admit that most bit all atheists are just sad at the fact they feel they will be nothing more than a corpse and want to impose their non belief on others

    • FallacySniped

      Um… atheists don’t ‘believe’ anything, not by definition. The definition of ‘atheist’ is to lack belief in the existence of any gods. You’re basically saying that everyone who is an atheist – which, in this case, includes every religion that denies a deity but believes in an afterlife, only one step away from most tribal religions – believes that an afterlife, reincarnation, and all the rest are nonexistent.

    • Nobodo

      How would you feel if money said on it “In Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva we trust”?
      How would you feel if the entire Republican political party swore their faith in Allah and Muhammed his prophet?
      Would you like it if teachers in public schools were calling themselves ‘witches’ and teaching your children Wiccan rites?
      Would you jump right on board if each state decided they should get into competition with each other state and try to build the world’s biggest Buddha on the grounds of each state capital? Oh, and of course the US government would have to try to build the world’s biggest Budda on the lawn of the White House too.

      Christians try very hard to oppress non-Christians in every facet of daily life. They start it by brainwashing their children at the youngest of ages to believe exactly as the parents believe and to be strongly opposed to any other beliefs.

      The most amazing thing about Christians is they don’t even believe in their own bible. They pick and choose parts of the bible to believe in, and then treat others with disdain for not believing as they do. I have never seen a Christian who does all the things the bible says a person needs to do to get into heaven, yet they firmly believe their little chunks of the bible are all that matter.

      Here is one example of many, many things that the Bible says about getting into heaven that Christians choose to ignore. It is even supposed to be the words of Jesus, yet Christians still ignore…

      Matthew 19:21-24:

      “Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

      When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

      Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.””

  • Passive atheist

    Before I came to this site I didn’t understand why religionists and atheists are at each others throats… now I see that theres always gonna be that ONE guy/girl that starts the arguement. I’m bloody sick of it! The atheist that reinforces atheist stereotypes does a great disservice to us all. As an atheist myself I do NOT deny you your gods I do NOT deny you your book all I ask is for you to allow me to live in peace free of the words of ONE bad apple.. thank-you for reading my opinion

  • Andee

    I’m a dedicated Christian, love God with all my heart. That being said, I want every atheist out there to know I do not hate you. I would never, in my life, hate you for being an atheist. Do I wish you were Christian, of course, it’s nice to have others who think like you, but never in my life would I hate you. You’re worth caring about. I’d give my life for an atheist if in a dire situation because I know I’m going to Heaven after death and fear for those not saved. Granted, I know that doesn’t make sense to atheist since they don’t think we go any where after death but hopefully you get my point. Hopefully my comment doesn’t get sneered at by to many and is helpful to those who are looking for evidence of kindness in others who aren’t atheist.

    • Heathen

      I’m an atheist, but it doesn’t really define my character. I believe people of faith/no faith can think alike and never mention personal beliefs. However, I don’t dwell upon the concept of heaven because I think it is pure narcissism. It is divisive in its very nature. You believe you are a superior human being because of your faith and believe you’re going to a special place when you die. I think the devout should understand humility before lecturing others, in my opinion.

    • Nobodo

      Quoting, “I’d give my life for an atheist if in a dire situation because I know I’m going to Heaven after death and fear for those not saved.”

      It sounds like you feel that an atheist who gives his life to save another is far more noble and loving of humanity than a christian who does the same. After all, the christian is going to heaven so has really lost nothing by dying.

      Christians believe atheists go to hell. So an atheist that gives his life to save another human is going straight to hell. By giving his life to save another, hasn’t the atheist done a much more noble and loving deed than the christian?

  • dino

    is so funny when Atheists say “why are you scared to accept reality” they claim there isno God yet they cant prove it. it truly requires a fool to not Believe in God and see that an Almighty Being cant be reduced to “physical evidence” Thats not how things are. You cannot prove a Supernatural Being with earthly defective and Human based inventions that are unreliable like claiming “you come from apes” without a single shred of evidence. Thats why “atheists” or their correct name Agnostics grow on people nerves because they mock Jesus and make everything on their power to offend God or their people. Why?

    Simple they know God is real and they HATE him. They Hate us because we have been freed from the lies spitted out of their filthy mouths. So tired of they claiming they have evidence for “evolution” when they DO NOT have it. Show us a an ape evolving. Wait… You cant. Hence Evolution is a Myth and a Religion cause its based on rules and a set of Beliefs. You believe there is no God but you cant prove it.

    We do not need to prove God, Since is logical that an Almighty Being living on a Different Dimension cant be proved by any methods currently available because He is Supernatural. Yet while they do (agnostis) do their worst to sue Lightpoles and anything that looks or dare Speak Or resemble the name of God or Jesus. So tired of their failed argument if you cant prove it it doesnt exist. LIES. Thats the lie they say everyday to live without fear of consequences. Cause in reality they are wicked and filled with dirth and are the lowest forms of humans around.

    They always use ADhonimens and are fighting a War they cant win, for more than 6000 years “Atheists” have killed and persecuted Christians, Mocked us, and even tried to stop our rights and try to turn this nation unto a Godless nation with no values, no morals and without a sense of purpose. “Atheists” have no purpose in life since to have purpose in Life you must have Jesus in it.

    Our Biggest Proof is our Lifes Changes, Our testimonies which by the way when there is no “Physical Proof” a Testimony is accepted in a court of law unlike certain “atheists” try to make you believe. In fact our system is based on testimonies not just proof. As a Testimony IS PROOF!.

    But yeah keep trying to erradicate Hope for humanity you are fighting a lost cause cause if in 6000 years you have not been able to win you wont win the war now. Cause the real evil in the world is you. The wars, The hungers, etc all the bad things that happen is cause of rebellion cause people do not want to submit to God Authority.

    Let your filth pop! Let the call names begin. Keep running from the reality that There is a God and if you do not repent you will burn for eternity in a Lake of Fire not because God is evil but because YOU ARE EVIL, YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN FALLACIES like “Evolution”.. btw dont give me “its proven” shit cause its not. Show me an APE EVOLVING. SHOW ME AN ACTUAL CHANGE OF KINDS. yes, The dreaded word and hated by atheists because it destroys their arguments, their fallacies. And lol @disqus_o1crG4KAvJ:disqus…. Poke Giant Holes? There is NO HOLE in the bible. the only “holes” are in your weak, and wicked mind.

    There is no morality outside of God and Jesus. PERIOD.

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    • Seamus

      Let me make a list of why your argument is invalid
      * most atheists are, not, in fact, evil, but nice everyday people
      *atheists have not been killing Christians for 6000 years, as Christianity is fewer than 2000 years old
      *I cannot prove that evolution exists, but you cannot disprove it
      *a testimony is not proof, a testimony is when they take your word for something and hope you aren’t a liar
      *Stalin was not a Chinese emperor, he was the president of the USSR
      *there is morality outside of God and Jesus, Buddhists and many other religions are based solely on morality and doing good as are many atheists’ moral beliefs
      *atheists do have a purpose in life, Leonardo DaVinci and many other important people are atheists
      *95% of the worlds people are not atheists, but only 1 seventh of the world is christian, so Christianity is not the majority either (Buddhism is)
      *you do not KNOW God is real, that is the point of faith. You hope he is real, so you do good so that you don’t go to hell, which you also take on faith
      *God has killed more people in the old testament than Hitler, Stalin and Osama bin Laden combined
      *If God is so great, why does he let shit like 9/11 happen? Why didn’t he just smite the terrorists?

      But why am I even wasting my time? You’re just going to call me a liar and a blasphemer and shout to the heavens “THE HAND OF THE ALMIGHTY SHALL SMITE YOU!”

      But I’m used to it, I live in the deep south after all

    • Heathen

      Such anger, sarcasm and confusion in one comment. It’s quite amusing.

      Look, dude, our default setting as human beings doesn’t include an innate belief in a higher power. That concept *always* has to be introduced. Thus it is up to the BELIEVER, who is attempting to brainwash and indoctrinate the gullible, to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt, that the higher power exists. Why must *I* have to prove the existence of a concept that is not innate to our human reality? What you require from non-believers is unreasonable.

      Further, If I choose to reject the believer’s ‘evidence,’ it doesn’t mean I ‘hate’ the higher power the believer is trying to convince me exist. That’s just logic that a completely ignorant person would use, and I sincerely hope you’re not a ignorant person. That’s really all there is to it.

      “Show us a an ape evolving. Wait… You cant.”

      Show me your ‘god.’ Wait… You can’t. See, we could play this pointless game of semantics all day long, but I have better things to do than try to reason with the willfully obtuse. You don’t believe in evolution. Fine. I’m not particularly interested in trying to convince you (survival of the fittest) it exists. Your own personal confirmation bias is only of interest to one person, and that’s you.

      Here’s the brass tacks: you believe your faith makes you superior to others. Great, believe what you want. I simply tend to completely disagree with your opinion. There’s a common term I use for people with similar opinions to yours. I call them assholes. At the end of the day, nothing is proven and neither of us gains any new insight. I don’t particularly care about your ego either, so save your outrage.

      Your claims of Christian persecution are totally baseless. You are the majority in America, and as a majority you can’t claim persecution and expect anyone to take you seriously. Again, these are things that ignorant people say. I’m sorry if this offends you.

      You believe you a moral crusader. I think you are laughable and weak. Good luck with that

    • sunny0001

      I wish we had the supposed freedom to believe what we wished. All this creates is an attack on both sides. I am an atheist and I respect those with religious faith. You must understand that I don’t hate your god or any other god, I just don’t believe in god. Atheists aren’t bad or satanic, they’re just people just like you and me. The big thing humanity struggles to overcome is that people are different. It isn’t just religion, but other things, like gender or race. We’re all just people in the end. Atheists may not believe in god, but they have morals just like theists. I’m not asking anyone to convert, but just to maintain peace between sides. Raging is not helping anything and I’m sure that if there really is a god, whoever he/she is, they would not like all of this anger. I’m sorry that atheists have extremists that like to argue just like any religion. What you should get out of this is: it’s okay to debate or pray or whatever you wish, but please respect our beliefs.

    • Nobodo

      Filled with hatred much?

  • Amari Daughton

    Err…why are religionists trying to argue against the views of atheists on an atheist website…called atheists.org ? People like to argue (I mean debate, sorry) I guess. Although I do feel kinda silly now, as I am a very spiritually minded person posting a comment on here XD Alot of people hate those that are different from themselves and even more refuse to try to understand. How a person chooses to understand the universe is completely up to them and them alone. Dont get pissed if they disagree. It does sadden me when someone says their atheist and some stranger glares or rolls their eyes. Dont get mad, be happy there’s a person intelligent and independent enough to think for themself.

    • Nobodo

      Do you find it funny that atheist websites allow comments and let anybody say what they want, yet christian websites block comments or are very picky about what comments remain?

  • Amari Daughton

    Also, a liar is a liar only if they know the truth. In the comments, there is a lot of anger behind your words, but ofcourse most of this is the result of other peoples’ angry words. Another thing, sometimes logic, not necessarily evidence, can make great points in regards to religion. Abrahamic religions arent very old..and there were who knows how many people here living and gone well before then. If you do believe in the one called Yaweh or Jahovah or Allah or Whatever, would you really insult him/it by saying that all those peeps didnt go to heaven? Thats kinda wasteful and for something to love cycles so much, thats a bit weird, is it not? One more thing, for the christians that believe.in the rapture, keep in mind that you have to be dead to get to heaven. Fearing death is silly, just hope you dont get murdered.

  • Hanjab Sanji

    Perhaps when you are an anti-religious hate group then people will hate you, its common sense.

    • Heathen

      “anti-religious hate group”

      Projection.

    • Nobodo

      It is much easier to find examples of members of a religion forming a ‘hate group’ than it is to find examples of atheists gathering to form a ‘hate group’.

      It’s easy to see why there are so many religious hate groups too. If you think all people in the world who have different beliefs than you are going to hell, that is the basis of a hate group right there. It’s no wonder so many millions of people have died in the name of religion and will continue to for many years to come. Religions breed hatred of others, whether intentionally or not.

  • Guest

    To me if a person claiming to be a Christian is very judgmental towards Atheist or other religions they are not really filling a role as a Christian. Now I am a believer of Jesus Christ & in my religion my job is to share about Christ. I never want to push someone into, but if your completely set in your belief then I’m probably not going to change your mind much. I will not judge Atheists for who they are. I will believe what I want & I expect the same from others. Because in the end I’m not the intimate judge…

  • Suzanna Lytle

    we will all find out who was right eventually here is the difference if Christians are wrong atheist with cease to exist as will Christians BUT if Christians are RIGHT atheist will spend and eternity in a fiery hell while Christians walk on streets of gold and enjoy a new heaven and a new earth.seems a bit dammed if you do dammed if you don’t for the Atheist.seems being a Christians increases your odds by 50% of something beyond this overpopulated hell hole we all live in now.

    • DDD

      I’m gonna have to correct you there. Being a Christian doesn’t increase my odds by 50%. If anything, the odds don’t change much because of all the gods that exist out there. Even if I were to believe and become a Christian, I still have to deal with the fact that there are different types of Christians, ranging from mormons to catholics, and even the extreme beliefs of small christian sects in the United States who all believe that worshiping god must be done a certain way.

    • Nobodo

      The bible and jesus in particular state all sorts of things people have to do to get into heaven. Believing in jesus is just a tiny fraction of the things the bible says you have to do, yet christians seem to pick and choose what they want to believe out of what the bible says.

      As an example of things jesus explicitly says in the bible but christians choose to ignore, look at Matthew 19:21-24. Jesus says there that to get into heaven you have to give all your worldly possessions to the poor, and a rich person cannot get into heaven.

      It is so funny to hear christians talk about how their golden ticket for heaven has been punched, yet they refuse to follow their own god’s instructions for how to get into heaven.

      How can christians pick and choose verses that will get them into heaven? Hilarious.

  • tyler

    This is something that really just annoys me. Whenever I am debating with a christian about religion and god I ask them to prove it and this is what they do: they start giving me bible verses that make no sense whatsoever, they say the bible is proof of their god, when clearly its not because if a book is the proof of god where is the proof to support that? There is none, but they go in and on about the proif of god. I told a christian I knew to try and prove the existence of their god who had sex with his own mother to somehow create himself, so he told me that he has never seen anything on Netflix or Hulu that says god isn’t real… So apparently if not the bible, their bull shit or what they call “truth” comes from Netflix and Hulu. If they want to actually learn the truth they should maybe read a book other than the bible or one that promotes their religion, because that’s all they do, they hate curse or destroy anything that proves their bull shit wrong.

  • Guest

    Am I the only one that finds it funny when a Darwin-supporter/adamant evolution-believer says “TRUTH is backed up by PROOF”? It’s like they think that Darwinian evolution has been proven. If you don’t consider yourself to have blind faith in Darwin’s Evolution, or what some scientists and teachers have taught you, then you’ll consider investigating the following:

    1. Irreducible Complexity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVoGfSSSV8

    2. Trying to apply the scientific method to Darwinian Evolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiJdfCiWo4I

    3. DNA contains information. Information has always had a designer/creator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yNju1_-CMk

    I was a blind-faith atheist for 25 years. Keyword: WAS.

    • Nobodo

      Creationist videos don’t disprove evolution, they only prove the lengths creationists will go to for the purpose of deception.

      You claim to have been a “blind-faith atheist”, something which does not even exist.

      Evolution and atheism are not the same thing, as anybody should know yet creationists keep making them seem to be the same thing. Atheism predates the Theory of Evolution by a long shot. Is it true that most atheists alive today believe in evolution? Many atheists have probably never heard of evolution, but those with a background in science most likely do believe that a scientific theory is true because they understand what lengths scientists have to go through to turn a set of hypotheses into a scientific theory.

      Videos:

      Every specific claim for an instance of ‘irreducible complexity’ has been found to be false. Look up any particular claim.

      Questioning a bunch of people on the street about seeing examples of evolution as if one animal could turn into another right in front of your eyes is more than a little ludicrous.

      DNA proves evolution more than any other single evidence, yet that doesn’t stop Kent Hovind from producing ridiculous videos to try and twist anything a scientist says into a literal Genesis bible interpretation. Kent Hovind and other apologists dedicate their lives to misinformation in a perverted attempt to convince others their literal interpretation of the bible is true.

  • Shadowblades1337

    Am I the only one that finds it funny when a Darwin-supporter/adamant evolution-believer says “TRUTH is backed up by PROOF”? It’s like they think that Darwinian evolution has been proven. If you don’t consider yourself to have blind faith in Darwin’s Evolution, or what some scientists and teachers have taught you, then you’ll consider investigating the following:

    1. Irreducible Complexity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVoGfSSSV8

    2. Trying to apply the scientific method to Darwinian Evolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiJdfCiWo4I

    3. DNA contains information. Information has always had a designer/creator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yNju1_-CMk

    I was a blind-faith atheist for 25 years. Keyword: WAS.

    (Sorry I’m not sure why one was posted as a guest, as I was logged in when I posted this. Please disregard the other one, as it was not my intention to create a duplicate or spam.)

  • Man

    The only liars are the atheist. You lie to yourself. You can’t accept that there are things humans just can’t and won’t ever understand. You can’t accept it! It burns you up, infuriates you, drives you mad. The thought of not being able to explain things by human means. It runs down to selfishness, you want to do everything yourself. If you or someone else can’t explain something it must not be real right? Then I guess by that logic reality isn’t real. You can’t explain how everything came to be and no other non-religious person can either so I guess this post isn’t real. You don’t exist and neither do I. Big bang? Howd the explosion happen? What caused whatever caused the explosion? You can’t answer that. Does that burn you up? Some things humans will never understand, and until you understand that you won’t know truth.

    • Nobodo

      Humans used to think lightning came from a god as a form of punishment. If you look back far enough in human history, everything imaginable in our surroundings was not understood, so was relegated to the realm of gods.
      As humans understand more about the world around them, they come to realize more and more things have a logical explanation instead of coming directly from a god.
      Humans used to not understand very basic things like how a rainbow was formed, so made up stories about how god created rainbows as a promise to never destroy the earth by flood again.
      It’s truly amazing the things that humans ascribe to a deity until they come to understand how they actually work.

      True, there are many things that humans don’t currently understand, but scientists are hard at work to figure out how those things work. It’s called progress, and the quest to understand is a beautiful thing. To assume that everything humans cannot currently understand can only be created by a god is an attempt to halt human progress.

      Throughout history religions have battled against science and it’s ongoing quest for knowledge. If religions had their way humans would still be living in the dark ages, fearing knowledge and killing those who seek it out.

      How is a god creating the Big Bang an explanation for anything? It isn’t, and luckily scientists aren’t gullible enough to just accept that and quit searching for the answer.

      Religions can’t answer the big questions, either. For example, what did god do before he decided to spend 6 days creating everything? Did he just play cards with himself to while away the hours? How did god come to be; what created him? There are tons of questions that religion has no answer for. Science tries to understand things that humans question. Religion tries to hide them away in mysticism.

  • Mike

    Also, you have a sobriety program designed especially for you. I decided to express my beliefs in AA by replacing the word “God” with the word “something” when I was asked to read something. Later, I was verbally attacked by a Christian. My experiment proved my point. Atheists are not welcome there.

  • Kaitlynn

    One thing I hate is discrimination towards us.I am actually a teen and am a person of science.I have found out people prefer to rank atheists in lower class and I even had friends who did so to me.We shouldn’t be considered lower ranking for not being religious.I honestly think we are smarter than the religious people since we accept and know the fact that there isn’t a ‘god’ or creator.I respect people’s views and think more people should respect ours.Nine states prohibit atheists from taking office,this is just ridiculous.

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  • Alias Darker

    They don’t hate you, they just pity you . Who doesn’t ??! I mean , in America people would rather vote for a muslim pres or a rapist than an atheist . Time to ask yourselves what’ you’re doing wrong instead of being so defensive and delusional ( no, no one hates you but the way you reason is like the way children reason , in a pedestrian way , it’s like your mind is closed to any other reality but to the one you’re trapped in . stop being aholes and you’ll see you’ll understand .

    • Nobodo

      Your comment rambles but says nothing intelligible.
      Are you actually saying that atheists are defensive, delusional, and reason like children?
      That is a good description of religious people in an intelligent discussion.

      RE: your comment about Americans voting for muslims or rapists before atheists — the ‘muslim before atheist’ part is only true among Republicans, and you’re just making up the ‘rapist’ part.
      There will come a time—not this election, but maybe as soon as 2020–where the Christian posturing and the intolerant attitudes about religious diversity, reproductive rights and gay rights starts to turn off enough voters that the Republicans will either have to start shaking off the Christian right’s death grip on their party or start really losing a lot of elections.

  • Dan

    With all the brilliant, humble, kind, good hearted and sincere Atheists in the world to have intelligent discussions with, why would I as a Christian want to spend my time battling it out with an overgrown adolescent, an arrogant jackass, a liar who builds straw men and engages in other mentally and morally weak behavior who does not have the common sense and social integrity or maturity to behave like a decent human being?

  • billy

    I bet some people here were Christians converted to atheists once, I’m a Christian and I believe there is one god who created all and that one god sent his son for who ever believes in him will have eternal life.

    • Nobodo

      Most atheists in the USA were brainwashed as children to believe in their parents’ version of christianity.
      Most atheists in the middle east were brainwashed as children to believe in their parents’ version of the muslim faith.
      Most atheists in India were brainwashed as children to believe in their parent’s version of the hindu faith.

      As people of all religions become more educated, an ever-growing percentage of people discard that brainwashing. It’s isn’t easy to discard, especially as it also means to at least some degree you will be no longer accepted in the community you grew up in, and many people will outright tell you “you are going to hell”. In the USA for example, it is much easier to stay in “the christian fold” you were brainwashed to be part of than to actually admit to yourself and others that you do not believe it. For that reason, many christians in the USA are christians by name only, not actually by faith, but will not admit that.

  • billy

    you just have to belive in jesus and you will have an eternal life in heaven

    • Nobodo

      That is not what the bible says. If you want to pick one or two particular verses from the bible and ignore the rest, then you can believe “you just have to belive in jesus and you will have an eternal life in heaven”.
      However, if you listen to all the biblical verses that give instructions for getting into heaven, it is much, much more complex than that.

      Why do you choose one or two biblical verses about how to get into heaven but choose to ignore all the others?

      • billy

        then what did I ignore?
        that is the only way to get to heaven unless no one has ever showed you god, you have never sinned, or you’re an animal which goes with the first one

        • Nobodo

          First of all, the bible does not say that people who have not heard of god or the bible are going to heaven. It actually says quite the opposite. Romans 10 says the word of god and Jesus have been spread throughout the world and the only pathway to heaven is through that belief.
          Romans 1 states, “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

          There are many other places where the bible says that there’s no such thing as going to heaven without belief in Jesus. Ephesians 2, Acts 4, John 14, Timothy 2, etc.

          The bible says quite plainly that there is no excuse for any human to not know the story of Jesus and anybody that doesn’t believe it is going to hell.
          It doesn’t matter if you were born in a Hindu village in India or some jungle tribe in South America, you’re going to hell if you don’t believe in Jesus. So basically that is the majority of the people on the earth today, plus most that have ever lived on earth, who are going to hell just because of where they were born and raised.

          Ok, now about the biblical instructions to get into heaven… Here are some examples…

          Luke 18 quotes Jesus saying how to get into heaven, and he says that you must follow the 10 commandments, and also you have to sell everything you own and give all your money to the poor.

          That is not the only place Jesus states to get into heaven you have to sell all your earthly possessions, it is a recurring theme.

          In Luke 14, Jesus says that to be his follower, you have to hate your father, hate your mother, hate your wife, hate your brothers and your sisters, and hate life itself. He again says you have to give up everything. Note that this goes against one of the 10 commandments (honor father and mother) and several places where the need for loving everybody is stated.

          In Matthew 18:3 Jesus brings forward a little child, and says that to get into the kingdom of heaven you have to change to be like the child. Now since this is a very explicit instruction for getting into heaven, it is important to understand it correctly. Here are some of the explanations, and note that most Christians definitely do not do as most of these definitions say…. http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/18-3.htm

          In the “Sermon on the Mount” Jesus is talking about the laws laid down in the Penteteuch (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). He states, “Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

          Ok, so there Jesus is saying that to get into heaven you have to obey all the rules set down in the Penteteuch even better than the Pharisees and the law teachers. I don’t know if you’ve ever read those books and the 613 laws in them, but I guarantee people living today don’t follow those rules. Interestingly, Jesus also says there is a hierarchy in heaven — those who don’t obey some of the Penteteuch commands are lesser in heaven and those who obey all are greater in heaven.

          Ok, there are other things Jesus says in the bible that you must do to get into heaven, but I’ve typed enough here. Jesus and the bible itself do not say any of these rules for getting into heaven are any more important than any other, yet Christian churches completely ignore many of the rules and focus on only one or two.

          If you really follow what Jesus says and believe all of it, then you’d realize there’s no way you’re getting into heaven just because you’re a Christian and profess faith in Jesus.

  • billy

    tell me why do you not belive in god and why they call this American atheists other than American Christian hate club

    • Nobodo

      Different people will have different reasons for not believing.
      I was raised a Southern Baptist, went to church and Sunday School (forced to by parents from a young age).
      I was lucky enough at a very young age (pre-teen) to actually read the bible in its entirety and ask questions about the things in the bible that seemed to contradict what I had been told. The answers I got were totally unsatisfactory. So…. still a pre-teen, I started studying other religions to see what was different about them and why the church I was grown up in so strongly believed people from other religions were going to hell. I was greatly chastised just because I chose to research other religions and question things in the bible that didn’t seem right. Through my research and through the attitudes of people in the church reacting to my questions I came to see that all religions were just based on old myths and there was no reason to believe any of it.

      So… by the age of 12 I was an atheist. I am now 57. I actually dedicated a lot of time over the years to researching Christianity and all the other popular religions, as I always remained curious as to why the people in those religions did not question the church’s beliefs as I did. When I talk to a Christian today it is extremely rare to find one that actually knows what is written in the bible as well as I do. I also find that it is extremely rare to find a Christian that actually believes much of what is in the bible, but instead just regard it as a ‘good book’ that has some good stories about morality.

      Over the past 45 years I have been ridiculed, threatened, had my house and automobile vandalized, and been ostracized in many social and even job situations solely because I do not believe in god in general or Christianity specifically. I don’t wear shirts that proclaim myself an atheist or do anything else in public to try and push my atheist beliefs on others. The only time others even find out I am an atheist is when religion comes up in conversation, and perhaps most Christians don’t realize it but it comes up in conversation quite frequently as some (not all) Christians just can’t seem to get by without knowing the religious beliefs of all those they work with, socialize with, etc.

      Re: your question about “American Christian hate club” –> it is Christians that hate and even fear atheists, not the other way around. I have been on the receiving end of all kinds of discrimination and hate speech over the past 45 years but have been very careful to be respectful of others’ beliefs. I don’t go out to talk to Christians about their faith, but Christians will frequently approach me and ask what I think and then instead of listening to what I say will usually immediately stop listening and turn into “you are going to hell” mode.

      I am quite happy to see that in recent years religion has been in decline and atheism and agnosticism have been rising. I credit the freedom of information that the internet brings for the gradual change that is happening more than anything else. Christians will not stop brainwashing their children to believe they are different than everybody else, and they are going to heaven while everybody else is going to hell. I don’t even think while they are doing that to their children they realize the levels of hatred for others that instills into their children. The children have no choice, and later in life if they come to question the faith they were raised in they have a very, very hard choice to make.

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