Atheists Promote ‘Skip Church’ Christmas Billboards in South

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Cranford, NJ—Continuing its tradition of “firebrand-style” billboards at Christmastime, American Atheists launched a new campaign in Bible Belt cities, beginning Monday. The billboards feature a young girl writing a letter to Santa; her letter reads, “Dear Santa, All I want for Christmas is to skip church! I’m too old for fairy tales.” 

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The billboards are located in Memphis; Nashville; St. Louis; and Fort Smith, Arkansas.  A fifth billboard in Milwaukee is co-sponsored by the Southeast Wisconsin Freethinkers (SWIFT). While previous billboards have been located in urban settings such as Times Square, these billboards are located in more residential areas to be near schools and churches.

The billboards are aimed at in-the-closet atheists who are pressured to observe religious traditions during the holidays, and who might also want to attend the annual American Atheists National Convention in Memphis in April. 

“Even children know churches spew absurdity, which is why they don’t want to attend services. Enjoy the time with your family and friends instead,” said American Atheists President David Silverman. “Today’s adults have no obligation to pretend to believe the lies their parents believed.  It’s OK to admit that your parents were wrong about God, and it’s definitely OK to tell your children the truth.”

Despite multiple attempts, American Atheists was unable to secure a billboard advertising space in Jackson, Mississippi, as area lessors rejected the design due to content.  “The fact that billboard companies would turn away business because they are so concerned about the reaction by the community to a simple message that not everyone goes to church and not everyone believes in gods shows just how much education and activism on behalf of atheists is needed in the South,” said Public Relations Director Danielle Muscato.

American Atheists is bringing the billboards and its national convention to the South, where discrimination and mistrust of atheists is especially pronounced.

The billboards will be on display from December 1 to December 24. There is additional information about the American Atheists 2015 National Convention during Easter weekend, April 2-5 at www.atheists.org/convention. The convention will take place at the Peabody Hotel, just off of Beale Street.

The convention will feature keynote speaker Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a costume party, an art show, a “Cards Against Humanity” charity tournament, workshops, and talks by more than 20 of the atheist community’s greatest speakers, including Bangladeshi atheist blogger Asif Mohiuddin, Lucien Greaves of The Satanic Temple, HowStuffWorks.com founder Marshall Brain, historian and poet Dr. Jennifer Michael Hecht, and Fade au Grau, a celebrity fashion designer (as seen on Lifetime’s Project Runway), and more.

AMERICAN ATHEISTS is a national 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that defends civil rights for atheists, freethinkers, and other nonbelievers; works for the total separation of religion and government; and addresses issues of First Amendment public policy. American Atheists was founded in 1963 by Madalyn Murray O’Hair.

 

For More Information Contact:

David Silverman, President 908-276-7300 x5, [email protected]

Danielle Muscato, Public Relations Director 908-276-7300 x7, [email protected]

 

Click to enlarge: photograph of the Milwaukee billboard. The brightness of this photo, taken before dawn, has been enhanced digitally. For an unretouched, full-res version, please email dmuscato@atheists.org

Click to enlarge: photograph of the Milwaukee billboard. The brightness of this photo, taken before dawn, has been enhanced digitally. For an unretouched, full-res version, please email [email protected]

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  • You people are trash…go pedal your hate against Christians in the middle east where you belong.

    • Richard
    • Pete

      No way jack ass that’s where all this bull shit got started in the first place!!!

      • I’m sure the BS your speaking of is this billboard. This group is nothing but satanists and homosexuals trying to force people to understand and condone their deviant behavior.

        • joe3eagles

          ROFLMAO! Everybody point and laugh at the brain-dead redneck.

          • Lolerbot

            ~points at you~ herp.

        • Pete

          The BS I’m speaking of is your imaginary friend god and the church and Jesus and the saints and the pope and the foolish book you cherish and satan and all the other mythical characters you and your ilk have dreamed up over the ages.

          • The only reason you have a problem with god is your a homosexual. Homosexuals believe that by denouncing God it somehow justifies their deviancy. Why else would you care what others believe in…

          • Kevin Bruce

            well i care because religion has pushed its ways into laws that effect me one way or another or effect those i care about.

          • Adam Camp

            That’s not true your looking for an excuse to bitch. If it is true laws can be changed and it all up to you. Oh the pressure.

        • Kevin Bruce

          i happen to be a member of SWiFT and actually donated for the Milwaukee billboard and last time i checked i am not a homosexual or a satanist…. nor am i a deviant unless you count simply not believing in gods to be deviant behavior.

          • Well then maybe you are smart enough to know that the majority of you people are homosexuals…like Pete for instance. Just how does me being Christian affect law in a negative way? This whole thing is about sexual deviants….period.

          • Kevin Bruce

            well i am smart enough to know that the sample of atheist i interact with are not mostly homosexual, but what i really want to note is that i pitty you and your narrow mindedness because you use homosexual as an insult.

            your religion and its distaste of gays has lead to so many suicides because of the oppression your religion breeds.

            i hear christian complain that us atheist are smug that we think we are better than christians, it is easy to be when people like you set the bar so very very very low.

          • Don’t pity me….I have absolutely no use for homosexuals or atheists…bye homo.

          • CheeseyPal

            You seem to have an unnatural focus on homosexuality.
            Are you familiar with the phrase “Methinks the lady doth protest too much”?

        • Rus Shore

          Are you really that ignorant to equate satanism, homosexuality, and atheism? If you ever wonder why we speak out against Christians, it’s because of blatant ignorance like yours.

          • Oh I left out Islamists…sorry. Maybe you should check into who runs this site? My Children and I being Christians has no effect on you being an atheist. So keep it out of my community and we will be just fine. If you deviants feel discriminated against…that’s your problem. Are you possibly that stupid that you don’t know how many homosexuals are in your “group”. This is just another homosexual rights group. People that think they deserve special laws because they take it up the but. If it wasn’t for me being a Christian yall would be in a world of hurt…so you should be praising Christianity.

          • Rus Shore

            It would truly frighten you if you knew how many homosexuals were in YOUR “group”. Oh to be so ignorant to think Christianity is homosexual free. You must live in a state of constant bliss. The fact that you said “keep it out of MY community” is exactly the adverse effect many Christians have on society as a whole (not just atheists). You think you own everything, and you attempt to make laws to reinforce that thinking. Your redneck beliefs aren’t worthy of praise in the least.

          • I’m not looking for praise…especially from you. If you didn’t have an agenda you wouldn’t be putting up billboards. I don’t put up billboards denouncing atheists. I let you live how you choose. But I draw the line when you purposely try to infect children with your propaganda. The truth is there is more than enough evidence of God for me. Just because there isnt enough for you isn’t my problem. The laws you speak of reflect moral and natural law…not Gods law. If you had to live within Gods law you would not be able to be an atheist. I hope you have plenty of money for billboards because you will be replacing a lot of them soon.

          • Rus Shore

            LMAO!! How do you explain the thousands of Christian billboards in my home state alone (NC) which are most certainly not directed at Christians? You’re full of it! You don’t put them up yourself, but you’re free-basing crack if you think your brethren aren’t. Our billboards are directed at atheists and those on the fence, not at Christians. Read the article for proof. Nice try, though.

          • Read the billboard….your trying to indoctrinate children. Which you being a deviant…and most likely a pedifile you have no problem with that. The only Christian billboards I see are ones inviting people to worship or proclaiming a positive message. Not denouncing atheists. Nice try though.

          • Rus Shore

            Dude, you have some serious issues. Pedophile? Really? Where do you come up with this crap? You aren’t capable of a logical conversation, and you are proving yourself to be everything that atheists rail against in theists: a true hypocrite. You say you’re a Christian, but you act nothing like one.

            This billboard isn’t aimed at kids. If you could read, you’d already know that.

          • Adam Camp

            Yea adults go around writing letters to santa.

          • Cthulhu21

            No, but I bet some wish they could skip church.

          • Also you are really good at not addressing my comments and trying to put me on the defensive..when its you that should be. Don’t think that I don’t notice. I am patronizing you because obviously you think you are smarter than everyone else. I have been around and dominated to many of you people.

          • I will leave you to your atheism now…I came hear to find out where your billboards where located not to speak to you deviants.

          • Adam Camp

            You choose to live in that state, l would recommend moving to a less hostile environment for your beliefs.
            Or choose to end your misery and enter your great nothing.

          • CheeseyPal

            “The laws you speak of reflect moral and natural law…not Gods law.”

            So you’re saying that god’s law is neither moral nor natural. Ok, got it.

          • Lolerbot

            What the heck is an “Islamist”? Is that some new fangled word that means “Muslim”?

          • Wow, you people are even more stupid than I thought….

          • Lolerbot

            Oh wait, muslim is to islamist as jew is to zionist. I get it now.

    • Cthulhu21

      They don’t hate church. They’re just advocating the idea that church shouldn’t be an requirement to be a good person; as well as not being neccecary in general.

      • Whatever…pointing your hate at children is what I see.

        • Cthulhu21

          Thou shalt not commit the fallacy of false association. Seriously, why is saying church is unneccary showing hate for children? I’m just calling it as I see it.

          • False association…I’m just calling them as I see them….(billboard). Maybe you should actually read the ten commandment…just a suggestion.

          • Cthulhu21

            And why is that relevant here?

          • I was answering your guestion with the same pompous style your question was worded. For people who think your smarter than everyone else…you sure are stupid.

          • Cthulhu21

            No I mean why is the Ten Commandments relevant in this instance? How does that relate to why you think I hate children for saying that church isn’t necessary? It doesn’t make sense :s.

          • I’m gonna write this in crayon for you…k? If you support this billboard than you are attacking children and trying to indoctrinate children… Why can’t you people live and let live? Especially here in the South where most people are Christian and are raising their children as Christians and rightfully so. You do this to stir up people. Which I guess is a totally atheist thing to do.

          • Cthulhu21

            Why does it mean that I’m attacking children? You are not explaining anything at all. And as a side note: why is teaching children how the world works without the bible indoctrinating children?

          • Your moral compass is pointing south. I’m done explaining my opinion to you . Your billboard shows a young child saying God is a fairytale. If you can’t see that as offensive and directed toward children than we will agree to disagree. Not like you can change you people anyway. Yall are smarter than all of humanity dating back thousands of years…or so you think. Bye now.

          • Cthulhu21

            Ok, you didn’t make any arguments for why thought what you did but I guess you weren’t planing too. Don’t you think that’s dishonest to do that?

  • She’s too old for fairy tales, yet she is writing a letter to Santa?

    Children don’t want to attend church because all of us are born with a sin nature. Of course that sin nature doesn’t want to hear the truth. Children don’t want to brush their teeth, eat their vegetables, or go to bed either.

    • Richard

      Of course the church wants you to be guilted and shamed, then they wouldn’t be needed as you crawl to them to beg for forgiveness.
      Of course the devil has to exist, without a villain you wouldn’t need a hero to save you from anything.

      • Matt March

        beg, shouldn’t you have said Buy forgiveness

    • “She’s too old for fairy tales, yet she is writing a letter to Santa?”
      Great point and it (unfortunately) undermines their message.
      Suggestion to AA: Before you invest 20k in media, spend 3k on a creative advertising pro.

      • Kevin Bruce

        sadly you seem to miss the joke in it.

        • Adam Camp

          The joke is lame and in no way positive.

          • Cthulhu21

            Hit or miss, you get the point. Though I guess they could have had consultation before putting it up, but that’s a different issue.

          • Kevin Bruce

            perhaps i should have said irony….. most people find irony funny…. i am told people effected with the condition known as “butt hurt” tend to react more negatively to irony….

      • Sarah

        Right. That’s exactly what I thought.

      • Ninja of reason

        ( sigh! ) Considering you Christians are so good at scrolling through testaments new and old deciding what should and should not be taken literally, you have real trouble grasping irony …. :[

    • Cher Andrews

      we those of us who know there is a God, don’t bother you….we have the freedom to choose, just like you, reverse discrimination maybe???

      • Kevin Bruce

        Cher, your joking right? i have seen plenty of christian billboards calling me a traitor or immoral or countless other insults because i dont believe..i am co-founder of Kenosha Racine Area Freethinkers, we are basically just south of SWiFT of which i am also a member, and right now we are dealing with a school district that sends its elementary school kids to a creationist camp for science education.

        the reason us atheist agnostic or freethinkers are making a fuss is because some religions have stepped over the line.

        the reason you see atheist billboards is because there are christian billboards.

        atheists have been very much been reactionary, but there is one place we wont go that religion has, we wont have an equivalent to “the good news club” which goes into elementary schools as an after school program to indoctrinate kids. targeting of kids so young is appalling, congratulations religion you found a line you were willing to cross that us atheist were not willing to follow.

        • You don’t need an after school program to indoctrinate kids. The public school system is doing that just fine by itself.

          • alzan

            Aren’t parents capable of teaching their belief system to their children themselves? Why do they need the support or the assistance of the schools?

          • Barbara E. Ward

            And where is this school that is teaching or indoctrinating kids into religious beliefs? They don’t even say the Lord’s prayer in public schools anymore and they even want to remove the words “under God” from the pledge of allegiance. We are not living in the land of Oz. Nobody is going to melt into a puddle of goo because somebody says something that someone else doesn’t agree with or believe in.

        • Adam Camp

          When you allow a billboard affect your life what does that make you? And when you respond in confrontational ways, aren’t you lowering yourself to the same level with whom you have a problem. Relax and mind your own business.

          • Cthulhu21

            We’ll mind our business when the people who put up the billboards, as well as the more preachy of the religious, mind theirs.

          • Kevin Bruce

            i see so chide us for doing exactly what so many have done before with out your chiding reply….

    • Jk

      Speak for yourself, you may have been born with sin, but I wasn’t. Sin only exits in the antiquated minds of Christians.

      • Well, remember that the next time anyone does something to you that you consider to be “wrong”.

        We all know right from wrong. Its a kind of “law” that humans all know about, that dictates what we “should” do, yet we don’t obey it. The funny thing is, you couldn’t discover this law by observing people from outside the system. You would only discover what people actually do. An outside observer would just assume that war, murder, theft, rape, etc. were just what humans do. Only the humans know that we shouldn’t be doing those things.

        Morality isn’t an instinct. We couldn’t help but obey our instincts. Morality is something that tells us we should ignore our instincts.

        • Jk

          So you’re saying you need god to keep from raping, killing etc…..?

          • Why is raping and killing wrong? It seems to be just typical behavior for some animals. Take cats for example. The female isn’t always consenting. And male cats will kill the young of another male in order to cause the females to go into heat.

            Of course, we humans know that we shouldn’t rape and kill. Why is that?

            You can be good without believing in God, but without God, good and bad have no standard.

          • Brad Hall

            Our evolved intelligence tells us murder is wrong, we don’t need some 2000 yr old book or fear of “hell” (lol) to scare us straight. At some level it is instinctual, studies show children as young as 3 months understand “good” and “bad”.

          • Iokobos

            Abortion

          • “Our evolved intelligence tells us murder is wrong” Then why do humans keep doing it? It isn’t instinct. Instinct is “an innate, typically fixed pattern of behavior in animals in response to certain stimuli.” Instinct dictates what we ACTUALLY do, not what we SHOULD do.

            And killing isn’t always wrong, only murder. Taking someone’s life may be the right thing to do in certain circumstances. We have both the instinct to protect ourselves and an instinct to help others. Sometimes one is the right thing to do, and sometimes it’s the other. Sometimes we know the right thing to do is the opposite of what our instincts are telling us. This “moral law” HAS to be something beyond our instincts. If we are only chemical accidents of evolution, all we have are instincts. Also, how do we know our evolved intelligence is “right”? It isn’t any “better” than any other animal that hasn’t become extinct. Cats are just as “evolved” as humans. They are perfectly adapted for survival. They rape and kill and steal.

            We can look at different cultures around the world and compare their behavior. We could even say that one group’s behavior is better than another. This would mean that there is some standard that we are comparing it to. People can decide to better themselves. That means that there is some standard that they are tying to get closer to.

            It isn’t the Bible that actually tells us that. It is an innate knowledge that was put there by our creator. Everyone knows right from wrong, because we all know when we have been wronged. A 3 month old knows when she has been wronged.

            I probably can’t describe this as well as C.S. Lewis did
            http://www.bible-reading.com/mere_ch1.html

          • Cthulhu21

            I don’t think it’s that we inherently know what’s good or bad so much as we can see differences in behavior among our species and grow up accordingly based on how we perceve them (kind of like how many other vertebrate animals do).

          • Jk

            Lol….so a belief i. God is just to keep frm raping?

          • Ninja of reason

            Oh please, not this tired old ‘objective morality’ argument .
            In the words of the late great Christopher Hitchens, ” I hate to say it but you give me the impression of someone who has never heard an argument against your position.”

          • And your statement does not support or refute anything. Argumentum ad lapidem

          • Ninja of reason

            I apologise for the flippancy. It just gets a little tiring seeing the same arguments that have been discredited again and again still being used. But out of respect I will take the time and have bash and hopefully reason will win the day.
            So, I think objective morality is bogus and here’s why….

            1) Things are not black and white. Is it wrong to kill? Depends on the situation. Apparently not in war or self defence or capital punishment. If someone raped your 8year old son or daughter. You would certainly want to kill him. But would it be wrong?
            Sure raping someone is wrong. But what if in some twisted scenario having sex with unwilling females was the only way to allow the human species to survive. Would it be wrong then?

            2) Our perception of morality is changing all the time. Slavery seems pretty wrong. Right? Well ‘The good book’ didn’t have a problem with it and in fact condoned it in verses of the Old Testament and New! And if morality is really ‘written on our hearts’ as god claims then why did it take so bloody long for us to figure it out? People who were educated, religious, civilised citizens had the opinion that black people were inferior and were theirs to be rightfully enslaved. Why? Because that was the general societal consensus at that time. Which leads me to my conclusion which I hope you will have your mind open to.

            3) There is no objective morality. Morality is a collective majority opinion that society imposed. The main purpose being, to provide a guideline for us to best succeed as a species. Even when we were less evolved I’m sure there was a gradual realisation that killing and stealing from each other wasn’t a productive way to live efficiently. And of course there’s a ‘feeling’ that tells us ‘ Its not good for me to punch my neighbour in his face’
            Now what is more likely the reason I came to this conclusion?
            a) because my brain evolved in a way that allows me , through chemical reactions, certain emotions like empathy. So I’ve decided not to punch my neighbour in the face because I know what that feels like and I wouldn’t want it done to me.

            b) morality is written on ur heart because God gave it to you.

          • I agree with most of your 1st point. I even said as much in a comment lower on the page. However, you are exposing part of the problem.

            A piano has a lot of notes. None of them are “right” or “wrong”. But if you read a piece of music and play it, then all of a sudden there are right and wrong notes. The notes haven’t changed, but the music dictates which ones we should play. The music is outside of the piano itself.

            We have a lot of instincts. We have the fight or flight instinct. We have an instinct to help someone who is in trouble, and one to not get involved. Neither is intrinsically right or wrong. It depends on the situation. And sometimes we override the stronger instinct in order to do what is right. How do we know which instincts (or emotions or “feelings”) we should listen to, and which ones we should ignore?

            If killing isn’t always wrong, by what standard do we judge when it is right or wrong? There are times that killing someone is the right thing to do, and sometimes it is the wrong thing to do. The killing part remains constant. Taking someone’s life. It isn’t either right or wrong. Our instincts in a certain situation may be screaming at us to do one thing, yet our morality is telling us to do the opposite.

            That morality must be something outside the system of our instincts, emotions, chemistry. Because our instincts, emotions, and chemistry are not intrinsically right or wrong. They are neutral. You could say that it is our intellect, and that we need to be taught when one thing is right and when it is not. That wouldn’t preclude objective morality. We need to be taught arithmetic, but that doesn’t make arithmetic subjective. It is a real thing. Morality is a real thing that exists outside of humans.

            Some other points. The slavery that America was involved in is wrong, Biblically. The Bible specifically states that stealing a man to sell him into slavery deserves the death penalty. The slavery the bible speaks of is either to pay off a debt, as a punishment for a crime, or perhaps spoils of war (I’m trying to figure that one out. We’ve killed people for war crimes.) Even at the time of American slavery, people knew that enslaving another human being was wrong. It’s just that some people didn’t view blacks as “fully human”. A LOT of people thought it was wrong and had for a long time. And every slave owner knew in his heart that HE would NOT like to be enslaved. Therefore, he had knowledge that what he was doing was wrong. So, I don’t agree that the moral standard changed, but our morality improved (our adherence to the moral standard).

            You know raping is wrong. You just said it was. But if “not raping” is just part of our biological makeup, then it isn’t wrong. It’s just that we tend to not do it. Even your description of a “twisted scenario” exposes that you knows that that scenario would somehow be wrong.

            You may decide not to punch your neighbor in the face, because you know what that feels like. You may also know that if you deserved to get punched in the face, you’ll get punched in the face and it wouldn’t be wrong. So you punch him anyway. I wouldn’t feel wronged if I were punched in the face because I was trying to rape someone. Again, punching someone in the face isn’t right or wrong. It depends on what the “music” says to do.

          • Ninja of reason

            Ok, you seem like a pretty together dude so I’m really gonna try and break through to you and hopefully help you understand that some of the points that u arrived at ( all be it logical ) are a little wishful and misguided.

            Firstly I must be careful with my words. It seems in these types of arguments the words right and wrong or good and bad are monopolised by the side of faith. So in future I’ll state something to be good, bad, right or wrong ‘in my personal opinion’, as to not muddle things up.

            When I say killing is wrong, rape is wrong and so on, or even if I describe something to be a twisted situation it is wrong in my opinion and I’m coming from a position of living in the world I live in now and with values that work for me. Now, if you are going to tell me that knowing or believing something ,however strongly , to be right or wrong is evidence of some objective morality then you are undermining all the external influences that make us human and I will say flat out Sir. You are wrong.

            I can say that the holocaust was wrong. It goes against everything I was brought up to believe, it reflects the most negative traits of humanity. Intolerance, hatred and so on. But all of this is my personal opinion. This is a conclusion I have reached with the knowledge I have at my disposal and the values that I have acquired. The holocaust gets brought up by Christians frequently during the ‘Objective morality’ debate as an emotional blackmail type argument.
            ” If there is no objective reality then the Nazis weren’t wrong!”
            The tough but honest answer to give is, No. They weren’t wrong. They were only wrong in most of our opinions.

            You describe instincts like fight or flight and also reference decision making like when to interfere and when not to. These are all valuable traits instilled in us through natural selection. Fight or flight is, I’m sure we can both agree, a natural and useful instinct. The choices we make, be it in accordance to or in contradiction to these instincts, is in fact generated from our intellect. How do we know when to override these instincts and when not to you ask? Simple. We calculate it. Using reason, risk assessment, comparing risk to the urgency that the ‘said action’ must be done with.
            Comparing morality ( or perceived morality ) to learning arithmetic is a very misleading analysis. Mainly because one exists and one doesn’t. But also because arithmetic has proven its self to be a solid constant where as morality requires deeper proof because it’s in the mind and not a trivial and material thing. Remember the proof but though. That’s always important when discovering truth. The piano analysis, although rather poetic and pleasant, also is rather invalid. Let’s be real for a second. Life is not like a bloody piano mate. The only time life has ever been like a piano is when u need an analogy to fit your point of view.

            Moving on to your last points about our poor neighbour who can apparently give as good as he gets. It’s true, I would not feel wronged if I were punched the face whilst caught wrist deep in his piggy bank, his wife or daughter for that matter. But again, this can all be explained with the evolved brain that we have which allows us to be capable of empathy. I have sophisticated brain with an imagination which provides me with the ability to step inside my neighbours shoes and decide that I would not like my piggy bank nor any member of my family violated. It all comes down to that calculation. Psychopaths lack this ability and that is why they have tendencies to kill. Not because they are tools of satan or neglected by the righteous moral enlightenment of your Lord.

            And just one final thing on the whole slavery topic. I’m sure you are a man who knows his book but I thought I would highlight a few versus ( certainly not taken out of context so I hope you won’t insult me by making that claim ) just so you know exactly what you’re getting behind

            Exodus chapter 12 verse 43

            Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1

            Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20

            Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44

            That’s a few of many… Have a look through and try to read it with an open mind. I hope you will start to see through what has already become very clear to me as transparent man made fables and fallacies.

            I want to reiterate that I don’t want to express any hostile tone at all ( text can often my misconstrued that way ).
            I am about one thing. Going after the truth.
            And you can’t do that efficiently when you already have the conclusion you want to find. I am an atheist but the good thing about a true atheist is we can always be flexible to change our minds providing new evidence allows us to do so in a logical and systematic way. I don’t know if you can say the same but I hope I’ve made some sense.

          • Godwin’s law holds up once again!

            Yeah, I know that text lacks the emotion. I enjoy these conversations, and I realize that I may not win you over. I do respect that you admit your position requires that there is no right or wrong. Some people won’t admit that.

            I would argue that the Nazi’s knew what they were doing was wrong, by the basic “you know when you have been wronged” rule, or “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Their behavior was immoral, but they still are on the hook for knowing it was immoral. If morality is just your opinion, then they would not be subject to reproof for their actions. We couldn’t fault them if we didn’t assume that they knew it was wrong. People who are mentally incapable of distinguishing right from wrong are deemed to be sick or insane, hence the term psychopaths, and we do not punish them in the same way. We either try to make them well, or we remove them from society. We do not simply say that they have a different moral code.

            But sometimes people through their intellectual calculations know very well what they are doing is wrong and do it anyway. Or they know the right thing to do and do not do it. That is a major point in this discussion. I briefly touched on it above, but not in depth. Sometimes people intellectually decide to do something that they very well know is wrong, but they think they can get away with it. That is risk assessment, but it isn’t morality assessment. There is a difference. Morality isn’t instinct. We cannot help but obey our instincts. Instincts would be evident in what humans actually do. Morality is what we SHOULD do, yet do not.

            “I am about one thing. Going after the truth.
            And you can’t do that efficiently when you already have the conclusion you want to find. I am an atheist but the good thing about a true atheist is we can always be flexible to change our minds providing new evidence allows us to do so in a logical and systematic way.” You already have reached the conclusion you want to find. You say that there is no God, but you cannot prove that point. If you are an atheist, you believe that there is no god. You should change the label to agnostic. You don’t know if God exists or not. Then you would really be seeking the truth.

            I’m not certain what your point is about the bible verses. Some of them have nothing to do with slavery. Exodus 12:43 says “The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, ‘These are the regulations for the Passover meal: “No foreigner may eat it.”‘”

            But in general, stating that the Bible is evil because it promotes behavior that is evil is begging the question. (It seems like you are implying this, even though the rest of your text is not.) If there is no good or evil, then the Bible cannot be evil, can it? If the Bible is true, and it outlines what is good and evil, then it still can’t be evil. It could only be evil if you could present some other standard of morality and argue for its supremacy. And the Bible isn’t the source that condones slavery. Aristotle held that some people are naturally slaves and others are naturally masters.

            As far as the beating of slaves goes, here is a scenario. A man steals your car and sends it to a chop shop. Under Biblical law, his punishment is to pay you back 4 times the value of the car. (You, not the court.) Unfortunately, he is too poor to pay you. So, he becomes your slave to pay off the debt. However, he refuses to do any work for you. Then what do you do? You beat him. It is intended to get him to actually work, but if he dies in the process, you are not guilty of murder.

          • Ninja of reason

            But you’ve gone and hijacked words of the English language again. Will I never be able to use the words right and wrong or good and bad when debating a Christian? What about nice or unpleasant? Can I say that enslaving another human being is not very nice? Or will you call me up on that and say,
            ” No no no… How can something be nice or not nice if there’s no objective standard.”
            I dunno man, it seems like a cheap way out when your argument is running out of petrol.
            So just for the next paragraph I shall be taking back those words to illustrate what I thought was already quite a clear point.

            I’ve explained previously that the majority of humans have an agreed idea of what is right or wrong and we apply these either through law or through a less formal understanding that, for example, it’s wrong to cheat on your wife. We as humans generally seem to have an understanding of right and wrong and we sometimes do something we feel is wrong and we feel bad. But the level of sophistication at which we have these feelings, intuitions or whatever else you want to call them is certainly not proof or even an indicator that there is a god. ( which was your original argument with the gentlemen before if you remember ) Basically saying if there’s no god how do you explain objective morality? Well I thought I did. And I made it make perfect sense without God.
            Our species has developed a level of sophistication that we seek justice and we perceive things to be right or wrong based on whether it works. I’m simplifying of course. I’m sure there are other factors that have lead us to have the kind of society we have but the fact that we feel things to be right or wrong and we sometimes go against these or against our instincts only gives credit to the complexity of our human development and is at best, a pretty weak argument for God.

            On to the Atheist thing… You could argue I’m Agnostic. It really depends on how you look at it. I don’t believe there is spaghetti monster in the clouds ( if I may steal a line from Richard Dawkins ). I cannot prove that one doesn’t exist but I see no good evidence to think there is one. If it starts raining meatballs and bolognese sauce then I might reconsider. Until that happens I shall remain spaghetti monster agnostic.
            Either way, its just splitting hairs. I don’t think there’s a God I don’t think there’s a spaghetti monster and there’s just about the same amount of evidence for either. I haven’t got a fixed conclusion. I’ve reached my conclusions based on evidence of life that I have learned and observed so far. The only ‘ evidence’ for God seems to be “well look around you, how else can you explain all this?” Well try! Just because we don’t have an immediate answer we shouldn’t give it a supernatural one. It’s lazy and completely irresponsible.

            By the way I never said the bible was evil.
            Although your scenario justifying slavery is rather specific don’t u think?
            But even if I did, the word evil is not reserved for the faithful. It serves as good description and the word maybe uttered and applied properly to a sentence without the presence of an objective standard. And it would be accurate if we are going to compare the bible to your Christian understanding of good and evil. Or maybe I’m wrong, perhaps Christians really do condone the attempted murder of your first born just so long as God told you to. I mean, I know Abraham had many sons but there’s no need to be wasteful. Though I’m sure we will take the standard Christian defence being that the Old Testament doesn’t count!

            I will say one more time so as to be as clear as I can and not have my words twisted or dissected. If I say good, bad, evil, right or wrong it will always be in my opinion on along side our general societal understanding of what is acceptable. And although I may not believe in objective morality I am entitled to my subjective opinion based on my own personal standards.

          • In my opinion, no, you cannot use the words right and wrong, or good and bad in the context of morality, if you believe morality is simply your opinion on the subject. The words in English have definitions. Right means “in accordance with what is good, proper, or just” or “in conformity with fact, reason, truth, or some standard or principle; correct” But if there is no standard, no “truth”, then there is no “right”. You don’t believe in right and wrong. No problem. But don’t hijack the words and change their meanings.

            (I think that you are incorrect, but that word requires a standard, too.)

          • Ninja of reason

            So these words exist therefore there must be a god!? Obviously if some thing is wrong it needs to be in accordance to some standard. But you can’t just decide that’s gods standard. The definition of morality according to the Oxford dictionary is…principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour. There is no mention of an objective standard or that it is referring to a higher standard imposed by God.The definition of ‘right’ is…morally good, justified or acceptable. And we’ve already established that morally good does it necessarily apply to an objective standard either. I’m afraid that you are literally twisting words to justify your point of view. So I will go back to maintaining would I said before.
            I never said there was no standard. Just no objective or God-made standard.

            I didn’t want to get into a word definition game because it just deflects from the weakness of the original argument and trivialises what is actually avert discreditable argument.
            I would never suggest you are ‘wrong’. I wouldn’t dare open up those can of worms. Lets just say your beliefs are in contradiction to reality.

            By the way, I don’t blame you for not touching the Abrahams’ son story. God glorifying attempted murder is pretty hard to come back from.

      • Bob

        You sound like somebody that’s about ready to tip their fedora and comb their neckbeard.

        • Jk

          ??

      • Iokobos

        No, we all were. It’s up to the individual to recognize and admit it to themselves.

        • Jk

          There’s nothing to recognize. I’m not a sinner. Sins don’t exist. Read a book, that isn’t the bible.

          • Iokobos

            Yes there is.

            You may not be an active sinner (highly doubtful, only one man pulled that off), but you were born with original sin. Even Christians are sinners. Even after finding redemption we still sin. No one is perfect.

            Sins exist, you just don’t call them sins.

            This guy says it better than me. http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-the-biblical-evidence-for-original-sin

          • Jk

            Sin is made up in your head, they don’t exist anymore than god does.

          • Iokobos

            And you know this because…

          • Jk

            I’m not stuck in the 12 century…I also know snakes don’t speak.

          • Iokobos

            I’d be impressed if you were, not much electrical power and internet connection back then.

            Of course snakes don’t talk.

            What does any of that have to do with sin?

          • Jk

            If you believe in sin, then you most likely believe in talking snakes and growing women from men’s ribs…lol

          • Iokobos

            I believe in forces beyond our comprehension performing acts that early mankind tried to describe with limited vocabulary, then passed down in operator-style oral tradition until someone wrote it down after multiple generations of elaboration and chauvinism.

          • Jk

            So do I, but that doesn’t mean those forces are god or sin anymore than we are gods to ancient man even though they would think we were.

          • Iokobos

            So you acknowledge there are forces beyond our comprehension. That’s a start.

          • Jk

            Of course there are, but the Christians and Muslims or anyone that tries to make these forces godlike are ignorant. None of us know how it all started, the secrets of time, etc…and trying make these things godlike and then claim to know what this god wants is dangerous.

          • Cthulhu21

            Do you agree that eating shellfish is a sin?

          • Iokobos

            No, because I’m not a bronze-age semitic nomad wandering the middle east and following the prescripts of the proto-Torah.

            I presume you are going to try and go all Old Testament on me or something?

          • Cthulhu21

            No, sorry for the misunderstanding. I just read “I believe in originally sin” and decided to point out how sin is an objective concept. The silly notion of eating shellfish to be sinful was ment to be a springboard into that.

          • Iokobos

            No worries. The eating of shellfish was actually deemed an ‘abomination’, which I interpret as ‘something which corrupts the body.’ An ‘abomination’ like eating marine food with parasites, engaging in homosexual activity, or improper sanitation methods is bad survival technique for a low tech group or nomads without a lot of medical resources.

            A sin corrupts the spirit. Sin is also really fun and tends to feel real good. I have been raised to think of sin as a metaphysical concept which can separate a person from self discipline and their walk with God. When a person fixates on sex (or money, or other material pleasures, ie gluttony) above everything else then in my opinion they are sinning.

          • Cthulhu21

            Sorry to say, Sin is a subjective standard imposed by collective personal views of a population (be they Christians, Muslims or what have you). Why do the things you say are “sins” have to always lead to negative consequences and are not only negative based on the circumstance?

          • Iokobos

            Do you need to edit the question? It seems you may have an extra ‘not’ in there somewhere.

          • Cthulhu21

            Answer the question please.

          • Iokobos

            I’ll answer a question that makes sense. Yours does not, unless you are willfully ignorant of what a sin is.

            It’s as if you asked me “Why does jumping off the ground make you fall back to the ground and not just fall down based on why you jumped off the ground?”

          • Cthulhu21

            Why do you assume that normal human behaviors like sex outside of marriage or pride only lead to negative outcomes? I reworded it so it’s more clear. Care to answer please? Fire and brimstone notwithstanding, I would like to hear your opinion. Because I have a feeling it’s more of a perception than an objective fact.

          • Iokobos

            I’m going to take this in two parts because the activities you selected are different.

            1) Why do you assume that sex outside of marriage is a normal human behavior, and what positive outcomes come from it? For the first part, it depends on whether or not you think humans are a monogamous or meandering species (I prefer to think the former) as for the second I have seen nothing but hurt feelings and trampled emotions from one-night stands or sex without commitment. I don’t see much positive there.

            2) Pride in small amounts itself is not going to lead to negative outcome. It’s a matter of degree. Taking personal pride in what you accomplish is one thing, but making it the center of your life (as with most things) will lead you to ruin. That’s just basic psychology talking, on that point.

            As I have said before elsewhere in this thread, the best thing I have found from Christianity is not only the moral behavior, but the self-discipline. Knowing when to stop and self-reflect is invaluable to keeping control of your own life instead of handing it over to other people.

          • Cthulhu21

            1) There are many people who do have sex outside of marriage all the time (close couples, people looking for a quick fling, you get the idea). It’s not unusual for them to do so. If it’s not your thing, then more power to you.

            2) Fair enough.

            3) You can have self-discipline without christian doctrine.

          • Iokobos

            What positive outcome comes from sexual activity outside of a committed relationship? Please don’t say physical gratification. A few fleeting seconds of euphoria do not outweigh the emotional and biological consequences.

            Of course a person can have self-discipline without Christianity. I am merely saying that Christianity includes self-discipline as an underlying tenet.

          • Cthulhu21

            Feeling close to the other person and gratification being at least two. And what consequences are we talking about exactly?

            Celibacy and abstinence are not very good tenets of self-discipline when you consider human nature.

          • Iokobos

            Hormonal imprinting. False emotional attachment. Lowered self esteem and self worth. Sexually transmitted diseases. Being unprepared for pregnancy. Emotional immaturity. Good grief you did mention fleeting gratification.

            You can feel close to another person without using your genitals, dude.

            Your opinion of human nature is insulting to humans.

          • Cthulhu21

            Right, your point is? If you know about STDs you can prepare for them, whether through sex education or advice from a medical profitional. Not everyone gets emotional attached, there are individuals content with a one-time fling and moving on. Getting attached at a young age is quite common and they should be made aware of what’s going on in their bodies.
            I’m very well aware of how other humans can be close to one another, never said sex was the only way to do so. My opinion of human nature conforms more to reality than your one sided perception.

          • Iokobos

            If a person knows about STDs then they know about pregnancy as well. That doesn’t seem to stop them from acting irresponsibly.

            Not everyone gets emotionally attached, huh? Prove it.

            Your opinion of human nature makes us look like we are constantly horny animals with no higher intellect control over instinctual mating behavior and are willing to sleep with anyone who winks at them.

          • Cthulhu21

            Right, does the fact there are young people acting irisponsibly mean that you shouldn’t attempt it at all? Only if you have no real idea of how to prevent problems from arising. That’s were condoms and pills come back in again.

            You never herd of people who just have sex simply because it feels good? (couples, whether marreid or not like to have sex for its own sake, normally) You made the claim that sex only results in attachment. He (or she) who makes the the first claim bears the burden of proof. Not my job to prove it to you.

            Never said it consumes every aspect of our lives, I just implied we’re sexual creatures. Though, we’re at our most sexual in our teens and then it wanes a bit when we get older. Doesn’t mean we stop having urges
            If you want to wait until maraige to have sex, then more power to you. Just don’t expect everyone else to wait as long

    • Bob

      “She’s too old for fairy tales, yet she is writing a letter to Santa?”

      My thoughts exactly.

      • Brad Hall

        I think there is some implied sarcasm in the picture.

  • Essu Daru

    I’d like to be able to post this on facebook.. just the image – that you can click to go here to the webpage….

    get me some code folks!

  • Classy!

  • Don Eiken

    I think it is cute and well done.

  • Desi

    Why, then, do you celebrate Christmas? It is a Christian holiday, no matter it’s origins. If you stand by your beliefs, then back it up by not participating at all. No shopping, no parties, no tree, cards or candy. Oh, and no Santa, bet your kids will love that!

    • Pete

      I don’t…

    • Jen

      Some of us celebrate because its a family tradition to do these things. Nothing to do with religion. We celebrate family and giving and being together. We play games and eat and have fun together on the day that began as a pagan holiday. We have considered switching to celebrating “winter solstice” however since it has no religious ties.

      • Lolerbot

        That is exactly why some people go to church. No need to bag on them for it.

        • Jen

          I don’t care if Christians go to church. I do think that Atheists have as much right to put up a billboard as any church does. There is nothing inherently rude about the billboard. Its not like it says “Christians are morons, we hate you” or anything. Freedom of religion includes freedom FROM religion. At this point, people celebrate what they want, how they want because of traditions- not neccesarily religion.

          • Guest

            What if the billboard said, “Allah is not real! Mohammad, please assist in saving all those people’s knees that bow several time to the east, let them know the truth there is NO Allah?” what if the billboard said “Dear Santa, all I want is for all the homosexuals to realize they are wrong and going to hell?” “Santa, please help me not have to hear another woman who’s abused whine, let her know it’s her own fault?”… . negativity negativity negativity … Why can’t those who have the religion known as Atheism, invite others to believe (oh wait NOT believe in anything) without belittling other’s beliefs … otherwise, don’t get all butthurt and act all offended when people let them know what inconsiderate people they are being.

          • Guest

            “Dear Santa, please help me to not have to see homosexuals on TV or in public, that’s all I want for Christmas” “Dear Santa, please remove all the people of color from my environment, I’m to young to be a victim of crime” “Dear Santa, please stop all the Muslim women from covering their heads, I just want to know I’m equal to a man: … seriously ?? that’s how you see this billboard … if they want to attract more positive attention to their beliefs (or Not beliefs) — why do they have to be negative toward another group?

      • Jk

        Awesome, finally someone that knows the truth about Dec 25th.

      • JuJu Crafts

        Winter solstice is actually part of several religions, Druidism, Wicca etc … celebrate however you wish, and allow others to do the same … why is that so hard? If someone wants to put up a billboard that expresses Christmas .. why should you care if you don’t believe in it … why condemn or try to belittle them?

      • WallaceLeMay68

        You have, inadvertently, given me the empirical evidence I have been looking for to support my new proof for the existence of God: the argument from douche.
        P1: if a maximally douchy entity exists, there must some transendant, countervailing entity which embodies all that which in not douchy. Otherwise, douchiness would have overwhelmed the universe.
        P2: non-douchy things exist, such as Jesus, America, freedom, baseball, Ronald Reagan, etc.
        P3: a maximally douchy entity exists (proven by your last comment ).
        P4: maximal douchiness does not dominate the universe based on the existence of P2 + sunsets, babies, Chuck Norris, etc.
        P5: the transendant embodiment of maximal non-douchiness, which allows for existence of P2, must be spacess, timeless, immaterial, omnipotent, in order to overcome the maximal douchiness of P3.
        That entity is what classical theists call God.
        Thanks again neck beard boy. In all your pseudo-intellectual, teenage angst ridden butthurt fury, you have proven the existence of God.

    • Kevin Bruce

      same reason i celebrate st. patties day even though i am not irish or catholic. it seems like a good excuse, in the case of christmas a good excuse to gather with family and friends and really enjoy their company.

      • Jk

        St Patties day is celebrating genocide

        • CheeseyPal

          Woo-hoo! I’m writing this on Mar 17th. Happy Genocide Day! Corned Beef, Beer and Murder! Damn I love my Irish roots!

    • Rus Shore

      “It’s a Christian holiday, no matter it’s origins.” You couldn’t possibly say anything more ignorant. Christian Bible scholars will tell you that Jesus, if you believe that myth, want even born in winter, much less December. Most of the traditions that even Christians celebrate, including things like the Christmas tree and mistletoe, are pagan. The question I have for you is, why do YOU bother celebrating Christmas?

      • “if you believe that myth”? Historians virtually all agree that Jesus of Nazareth was a real person. He was born. I understand that you would think the virgin birth was a myth, but you can’t possibly say that Jesus himself is a myth. That would just make you look like a bunch of ignorant fools.

        Historians also agree that he died, probably by crucifixion.
        They also agree that his tomb was reported to be found empty.

        So, the question is “why was the tomb empty”?

        There are only a few possibilities:

        1) All the historians are wrong, and there was no Jesus or he wasn’t crucified or his tomb wasn’t really empty I am not an historian, and will take their word on it. Unless someone can prove they are wrong, this has to stand. The Jewish authorities of the time would have had strong motivation to produce the body to squelch the rumors that he had risen from the dead. They never did any such thing, but stuck to the story that the disciples had stolen the body.

        2) He didn’t really die on the cross, but just went unconscious for a while. People who hold this believe do not understand the Romans were experts at killing people. They made certain that they were actually dead. The report is that they stabbed Jesus in the side so that blood and water rushed out. If he had just been unconscious, he would have eventually died (even if of old age). There are no reports of this anywhere.

        3) The disciples stole the body. Sure, 11 Jewish men, fishermen mostly, overthrew the Roman guard and stole the body. I don’t think so. And besides, all the folks claiming to have witnessed Jesus being raised from the dead went to their own terrible deaths without recanting. They really did believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, they weren’t lying about it.

        4) He really did raise from the dead

        • Rus Shore

          Whoa whoa whoa….. There are some biblical historians who say that Jesus was an actual person. It’s only Christian historians who say that he died from crucifixion, and there is no proof, and therefore no credible historians saying that, there was an empty tomb. Until you can start citing some credible sources, you can stop making stuff up.

          • The roman historian Tacitus references the crucifixion of Jesus and it is widely accepted as an independent confirmation of Christ’s crucifixion.

            I didn’t say that historians agreed that there was an actual empty tomb. I said that they agreed that this was historically the report. Nobody made up a story later about the empty tomb. The disciples really did proclaim a risen Jesus. It wasn’t something that Christianity added later.

            Wikipedia isn’t 100% accurate, but this entry does give a lot of good references.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

          • Matt

            Tacitus wasn’t there! He wasn’t even born yet. His writings come something like 70 years after the alleged death of christ. It is hearsay and even that hearsay some scholars question as being inserted at later years. There is absolutely nothing from the time and place of christ to suggest his existence. Not even mass infanticide by order of king Herod received a scribble.

          • Think then post

            You criticize a historian for writing about events that occured before they were born and which they didn’t personally witness? Using those criteria would invalidate pretty much ALL historical writings and the field of history in general.

          • Matt

            Nope, wasn’t criticizing historians. – Just responding to another post regarding the crucifixion and life of Christ. For such a popular guy, for someone who was pitted against the educated, religious, etc…, for someone who people came from far to be healed by him, for someone with so many miracles and bad things surrounding his life, no one from the time felt his life was ‘different’ enough to write it down. Sure, the Romans wrote down plenty of ‘other’ stuff but nothing about the virgin born, resurrected demigod who’s life most closely resembles deities that supposedly existed over a thousand years before “christ”.

          • Jonathan

            Yes. Also, emperor Constantine’s mother Helen travelled to the Holy Land around 325AD and (after torturing a few of the uncooperative locals to reveal the likely location and a little excavation) even managed to find the True Cross upon which our dear Saviour was actually crucified.

            Since He was crucified alongside two common thieves, she was able to determine the Cross of Jesus by dragging a dead corpse over all three. Nothing happened with two of them, but when it was dragged over the third one the corpse came back to life!! This entire event was very well documented by her.

            So this is ABSOLUTE PROOF that Jesus was real, because no ordinary piece of wood could possibly have brought that corpse back to life again.

            Praise be to Jeeesuusss!

          • Name

            This totally blows my mind. If anyone believes this, I feel so sorry for them.

          • CheeseyPal

            “Since He was crucified alongside two common thieves, she was able to determine the Cross of Jesus by dragging a dead corpse over all three. Nothing happened with two of them, but when it was dragged over the third one the corpse came back to life!”

            Thank you for my laugh of the day.

          • Adam Camp

            Where are you credible sources? Are you making stuff up again Rus?

          • Jk

            Jesus wasn’t in the tomb because he rose from the dead….he was the original zombie, but Rick Grimes killed him.

          • CheeseyPal

            Zombie Jesus, I love it.

            “Next week on The Walking Dead, special guest appearance by Jesus – The Original Zombie!”

          • WallaceLeMay68

            In my experience the atheistic/agnostic mantra of “there is no evidence” is typically premised upon an arbitrary and subjective definition of evidence. Because evidence is a legal term, and this discipline has written the most about the concept, it would make sense to consider the legal definition of evidence before declaring that there is none.
            “[E]vidence is defined as ‘all the means by which any alleged matter of fact, the truth of which is submitted to investigation, is established or disproved.’” Forshey v. Principi, 284 F.3d 1335, 1358 (Fed. Cir. 2002). “[E]vidence includes all the means by which any alleged matter of fact is established or disproved, and is further defined as any species of proof legally presented at trial through the medium of witnesses, records, documents, exhibits, concrete objects, etc., for the purpose of inducing belief in the minds of the court or jury.” People v. Victors, 353 Ill. App. 3d 801, 811-812; 819 N.E.2d 311 (2004).
            Notice the use of the terms “any” and “all” in these definitions. A whole lot of things count as “evidence.” Testimony is included within the definition of evidence, although it is “not synonymous with evidence” because evidence “is a more comprehensive term.” People v. Victors, supra at 811-812. In other words, personal religious experiences, COUNT AS EVIDENCE as that term has been legally defined, something atheists find hard to accept. This also means that the Gospels, for example – as “records, documents” – fall within the definition of “evidence” as well. Atheists and skeptics may say that these are not reliable forms evidence, but to say there is NO evidence is simply false.
            Also, the philosophical evidence for God’s existence (First cause, argument from contingency, argument from reason, moral argument, apparent fine tuning) might not strictly meet the definition of evidence, but the philosophical evidence does – coupled with the existence of the universe and consciousness itself – give rise to a “presumption.” A “presumption” comes about when the “finding of a basic fact gives rise to existence of presumed fact, until [the] presumption is rebutted.” Wilner v. United States, 24 F.3d 1397, 1411 (Fed. Cir. 1994). “Although not evidence, a presumption can be a substitute for evidence if it is not rebutted.” Id. Most atheists will freely admit that they have no evidence disproving God – they usually fall back on the fact that it is not their burden. However, if there is a presumption of God’s existence (and at least 4 1/2 billion people would say there is), then atheists do in fact carry the burden of rebuttal.
            Most atheists/skeptics confuse “evidence” with “conclusive evidence,” sometimes termed “conclusive proof,” which is defined as “evidence so strong as to overbear any other evidence to the contrary.” Black’s Law Dictionary 636 (9th ed. 2009). It is also defined as “[e]vidence that so preponderates as to oblige a fact-finder to come to a certain conclusion.” Id. There may not be, in the atheists/skeptics view, evidence that “obliges” them to accept God’s existence. But this does not mean there is no evidence at all, only that he has not seen what he considers to be “conclusive evidence.” Also, note again the first part of Black’s definition – “evidence so strong as to overbear any other evidence to the contrary.” Atheists admittedly have no “evidence to the contrary,” so ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL(i.e., personal religious experience) becomes “conclusive proof” by courtroom standards.
            So in summary: why do you reject the evidence? Because you consider the idea of God absurd. Why is the idea of God absurd? Because of the lack of evidence. Your entire atheistic world view flows from this circular reasoning, which itself flows from a fundamentally flawed concept of what “evidence” is.

          • Cthulhu21

            You do not need to answer this whatsoever, but why do you pull out the “your a douche bag” argument when others have made an argument? There doesn’t seem to be any point in it.

        • Ana Silva

          One can believe something to be true and yet it may still not be true. The one that believes is not necessarely a lier, he may simply believe in all honesty something that is not true. My point is that quite a few historions have cast doubt on Jesus ever existing as well. Even this is not 100% agreed on. Writen accounts on these facts came 400 years later so there was plenty of room for making up as they went along. As for him having raised from the dead John that is such a feat that either one blindly takes this a possible or not. Some do, some don’t. I do not believe anyone can raise from the dead however much one wants to give Jesus the power to have done this via a God (that I do not believe in).

      • Desi

        Yes, Christmas is a Christian holiday, now. I am well aware of how the early church absorbed or assimilated local beliefs, and traditions, into the church. I don’t hang mistletoe, or do a tree, or string lights all over my home. As to the actual birth day of Jesus, this has never been pinned down, though it is interesting to hear the latest findings. Same with his death, but the end results, for me, are the same, irregardless of all the ‘scholarly’ debate.

        Why do I ‘bother’ celebrating Christmas? Because it is a time for us to come together, because it is a time when even the crankiest, unhappiest people, will actually crack a smile. Because it is the one time of the year when people seem actually HAPPY. Because it is the one time of the year when most people remember to be kind to one another. AND– I celebrate THIS year round, not just a few times of the year.

        Having peace, hope, and love is worth celebrating. I hope you find it someday.

        • Jk

          Xmas maybe a Christian Holliday, but Dec25th is not.

    • Matt March

      not one of the things you mentioned have to do with your god , an work wouldn’t let me trade Christmas for the dog days

      • Desi

        Didn’t drop by to preach, just stating my opinion. If you want to hear about my God, and Jesus, fine. If you want to debate an issue just to prove something to yourself, you are in the right place to do so. But I won’t be participating.

      • Adam Camp

        It’s your choice who you work for.

        • Cthulhu21

          Your point being?

    • Because I love my children, and I enjoy seeing them happy and filled with anticipation of what christmas day will bring. My house is fully decorated to the max, just as my childhood home was. Our family will join together for a great meal and good times, just as we did when I was a child. It’s a tradition, and a good one. And never has tradition, for us, had anything to do with “god”.

    • nailedvision

      The majority of things you listed have absolutely no basis in Christianity. They are secular and commercial components added to the holiday. Capitalism and consumerism are not the same as Christianity.

      • Jk

        Dec 25th has nothing to do with Christianity either. That day is about fun and gifts and time with family, not celebrating a bogus god.

        • nailedvision

          That’s as idiotic as saying Christmas has nothing to do with gifts.

          The trouble you and other people seem to have is grappling with the very simple idea of subjectivity. For a very good amount of people Christmas has everything to do with Christianity. It could even be said to be their most anticipated and important holiday. To say it has nothing to do with Christianity is just as absurd as any of the crap that ejaculates from the mouths of Christians.

          At the same time for non Christians the holiday has another meaning. It’s generally more about family to time and gifts. We all get the day off and we all spend it in our own way. Our way is no more right or wrong than theirs. In fact for a good amount of Christians across the world the religious component is very superficial and more of a nod to family history and heritage.

          The fact is Christianity infuses our culture and it always will. I’m keen to teach my children all about the Christian component of the holiday so they grow up knowing the history of their culture and family and civilization. Just as I teach them about the Greek myths that form the backbone of humanism.

          • Jk

            Christmas absolutely has nothing to do Christianity. It only does if you believe lies passed down by Christians. It’s actually a Pagan Holliday called Yule. Christians don’t know when Jesus was born, so they chose the winter solstice as a way to convert pagans. So it really has nothing to do with Jesus, but ignorant Christians only listen to what they learn in church and spew nonsense like ” Jesus is the reason for the season”. Just like St Patties day, that is a celebration of genocide, but most dont know that either.

          • CheeseyPal

            “they chose the winter solstice as a way to convert pagans”

            And then they stole the spring fertility festival to celebrate the mythical rising of jesus from the dead, which is kinda creepy when you think about it. (rabbits, eggs and Zombie Jesus! Now let’s go plant those fields!)

    • Jk

      It’s not a Christian Holliday. Learn some history before you speak.

    • certavi et vici

      Its a pagan solstice holiday first stolen by the Christians, specifically by order of the Roman Pope, and now stolen by profiteers, plain and simple. No serious theologian believes Jesus was born on Dec 25

      • CheeseyPal

        Why does Jesus die on a different day each year? Do they have to update his gravestone each year also?

    • agoraks

      In out family we call it Festivus..and have a tree and gifts etc..etc..

  • John Dale

    I feel sorry for all of you……as there’s no such thing as an atheist on a death bed….and I never heard a dying soldier on the battle field screaming there’s no god after a fatal wound…..I will pray for you that you direct your energy to helping this country instead of destroying it with your self centered message. Praying for you all this Christmas.

    • Pete

      Sure there is…Ever hear of Christopher Hitchens dumb ass! He recently died of cancer and denounced religion and the existence of god till the end…So there you go an atheist on his death bed all the way to the end! See how easy it is to disprove a religious nut bar like you!

    • Pete

      Don’t waste your time praying…scientifically valid studies have been conducted and prayer it has been shown does not have any benefit or changes outcomes. Duh!

      • Meg

        It does change the outcome if you allow it to provide peace and perspective. Prayer is a form of meditation and sometimes when you believe enough in something, miracles do happen (whether by God or pure positive thinking, either way it’s a tool to get through all the crap in life.) I would know. I’ve had plenty of prayers answered, including several concerning an eye injury that scientifically should have left me blind. But the unthinkable happened and despite a severely damaged optic nerve I’ve had 20/20 vision for the past 10 years. So I would argue it “Duhs” work ;-).

        • Meg

          And for the record the scriptures teach us that “thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.” For all intents and purposes, supposing He does exist, I would guess Him unlikely to go along with the “scientifically valid studies” trying to prove or disprove His ability or interest in answering or ignoring prayers.

          • Kevin Bruce

            that is convenient isnt it .
            so prayer doesnt work because at its core it is testign god or prayer studies dont work because god isnt goign to participate in a study?

            how do you know prayer works? you do know anecdotals are not a valid form of evidence and belief on faith is a cop out.

            truth be told I am God, but dont try and test this because like i said in the good book dont test me.
            do you believe i am god now? no? ye of little faith.

        • Kevin Bruce

          so pray as a sugar pill… then it not really pray that is at work but rather psychology….

          • Adam Camp

            Wow your brilliant. Let people believe what they want. Who are you any way? A speck of dust.

          • Kevin Bruce

            let me believe that its ok to put up billboards and criticize bad ideas.

            also beliefs are not something you actually can will or force on others. so my calling religion a myth is not forcing you to believe me, perhaps it causes you to question but that is not something i can control.

        • Ninja of reason

          http://youtu.be/IZeWPScnolo
          This is a link to a song you need to hear! It involves God answering a prayer and healing someone’s eye! U just can’t make this stuff up….

      • Adam Camp

        Your name calling shows the evil that your made of.

    • Rus Shore

      Why would someone feel the need to curse something that doesn’t exist on their deathbed? No, atheists simply say goodbye to their loved ones or ask those around them to do so. We don’t need to call out to anything else since, just like theists, THERE’S NO ONE LISTENING.

      • Lolerbot

        Thanks for your declaration of faith. You can’t really know no one is listening. The NSA is everywhere.

        • Rus Shore

          It doesn’t take faith to understand there is no evidence for the existence of the supernatural. Nice try, though.

          • Lolerbot

            It does take faith to believe in non-existance though, as without evidence it is in the realm of the unknown.

          • Rus Shore

            As if that supports the existence in a god in some way?

          • Lolerbot

            I never implied it did. My statement is just that a declaration of God’s non-existence is just as much a statement of faith and belief as a declaration of his existence.

            All things only have an arbitrary probability of existence, assigned by the observer. Your estimation of that probability of existence concerning God seems very low. Others would put it higher due to various influences on their perception and understanding, such as sociological conditioning, anecdotal, or personal but non-reproducible evidence which is sufficient for them to place a higher probability on it.

            Your perception and interpretation of reality is yours alone. Nobody else, no matter what consensus you may receive, shares that with you completely. They can’t. They aren’t you.

            Given that everyone is unique in this regard, to place value on your arbitrary assignments over others is just more egotism at work.

            Christianity is an idea and belief. Ideas don’t hurt people. People hurt people and blame ideas in an attempt to subvert responsibility for their actions.

            I honestly don’t mind atheism, what i mind is dogmatic belief systems that seek to oppress others in the name of “liberating” them.

          • Adam Camp

            Hey look what you don’t understand god is faith and faith is god. I can’t imagine 3 letters controlling someone’s existence in such a way as you atheist. Your problem is not with God or religion it’s with the people that push it on you, and they are wrong. god= supreme being or whatever you want it to mean quit nagging.

          • Adam Camp

            Your awfully small minded.

  • Barry Daniel

    Jesus still loves you and regardless what you think God exist!!!!!!

    • Pete

      Oh god! I hope not! I don’t need any invisible friends!

    • Pete

      Really it’s Jesus that loves me?!?…I was kind of hoping that mythra, zeus, or posidon loved me…No you know what I’m really holding out for the tooth fairy loving me! Heard she was kind of hot!

      • Jk

        Ya, the tooth fairy is hot, but Jesus love you long time….Lolz

    • Jk

      Jesus only makes my carne asada burrito, doubt he loves me though I do tip well

    • Kevin Bruce

      some one sounds like a universalist when it comes to hell….

    • Cat L

      Jesus loves me, but I’m not ready for that kind of commitment. So, I fired him and got a new gardener. His name is Jose.

    • Jonathan

      “Jesus loves you” isn’t exactly what you want to hear in a Mexican prison.

    • CheeseyPal

      I was unconvinced, until I saw that fifth exclamation point. Praise Jebus!!!!!!!!

  • JD

    Are these individuals really that tainted that they have to ruin the fantasy for little children? Grow up

    • Rus Shore

      Who is ruining fantasy? Are you referring to Jesus or Santa?

  • Happy Medium

    If the reality of enlightenment is apparently as preoccupied with such vitriol and hate as commented here, I think I should rather choose the bliss of ignorance and the contentment of peace. It is ultimately a miserable existence to be compelled to attempt to occupy the mind of an adversary. Your choice.

  • Nicole

    Look at all you grown fucking adults. WHO FUCKING CARES. as uncomfortable as you (god /jesus believers) feel when someone mentions NO god, or ANOTHER god such as YOURS….is how they feel when u talk about Jesus non sense. Let it be. That’s what makes this world go round. Were all clearly old enough to choose what to believe in…we don’t need your fucking pathetic Jesus loving condolences. Allah will save you. Or maybe jahovah will?? Or maybe YOURSELF??? your spirit is your own, and NO ONE OWNS IT. think about it. Ignorant fucks.

    • Mandapoe

      Sound like your doing a pretty good job of “letting it be”.

    • Bob

      Thank you, for one of the only mature posts on this article.

      People have a right to believe what they want. The only time that right should be infringed is if it affects the life, liberty, or general well-being of others.

      I do like what you said in those last two sentences – Your spirit is your own, and nobody owns it. Very wise words.

    • yupyup

      classy

    • Tommy Christopher

      No one is forcing you to accept Christianity or to observe Christmas, Nicole, but atheists like yourself are forcing your secular mindset upon everyone else as seen in the hate and intolerance exhibited in your post, on these bigoted billboards, and in the organized efforts from secular humanists to attack those who practice Christianity. I have yet to see ANY effort from ANY atheist groups to counter the teaching of other religions in schools or the removal of any mention of other faiths as secularist do when they selectively target Christianity. Just think of all the money that could have fed the hungry or sheltered the homeless (as seen by many Christian charities as The Salvation Army, Samaritan’s Purse, etc.) had the atheist groups not posted the anti-Christian signs and helped the poor instead? Even though I am not a particularly religious person, after seeing the hate from atheists and noting the love and charity of Christians, I believe I WILL be attending church this Christmas as this assault and intolerance against those who choose to think contrary to you is no better than the fascism of 1930s Germany or the oppression suffered by blacks in the pre-Civil Rights Era of American history. Sorry, but in my case and likely with many others, your disgusting billboards failed!

      • Mandy

        I couldn’t have said it better. Agreed on every word.

      • Diamond Dave

        Hi Tommy, I refer you to the Vatican. I understand the Vatican is a Catholic thing but you know… For such a humble organization, perhaps feeding the starving kids around the world might come before lining the walls with gold would be a priority. Then again, the Catholic church wouldn’t have that WOW factor and would probably start losing members very quickly.

        You say, “No one is forcing you to accept Christianity” well, of course not! You’ve already been programmed by your parents to accept that god is real and not to dispute it therefore, there should never been a dispute as to his existence. Your parents tell you it’s true and what kid argues with their parents about this. Some people do grow up though and just like Santa Clause, they come to realize that the entire religious thing is purely a scam run like a pyramid scheme to steal your cash without you even knowing! THAT’S WHAT RELIGION IS!

        Now if you want to continue to practice your religion based on (insert your god here) that’s fine and that’s your problem and that’s cool, just don’t make your problem your kids problem or our problem. Let your kids learn a little something without you injecting the fear of god into them. It’s wrong, it’s ridiculous, and anyone doing this should be ashamed of themselves.

        http://libcom.org/library/starvation-army-twelve-reasons-reject-salvation-army

        Now who’s bigoted?!?!?!

        Now I was going to say to think about this on your annual pilgrimage to your church to worship the invisible man in the sky who performs miracle after miracle but can’t seem to stop a tornado, prevent a plane crash, help the Giants win another Super Bowl, etc… But I can’t say that because you said the reason you’re going to church is because you’re fed up with ATHEISTS!!!! Brilliant!

        • JuJu Crafts

          My parents were not religious, but I am .. I know many religious parents who took their children to church, were kind, loving and yet the children chose not to attend or believe when older … your argument is invalid.

          • Diamond Dave

            My argument is not invalid. Eventually some kids make it out of the hood too. It’s not impossible but it’s not common. You are a boob.

        • African RockFish

          What a poor, oppressed majority.

      • African RockFish

        Somehow, I doubt that you go on similar rants when Christians use the media to insult nontheists. If we want to make the comparison to fascism, it’s believers that passed laws in seven states that deny atheists the right to hold public office.

    • pat

      You atheist are really stupid & ignorant for one thing that proves it is that you all create this stupid fable that earth is millions of years old and yet you can’t give a name of one person that lived beyond 6000 yrs. ago…not what science finds somewhere or old bones…GIVE ME A ACTUAL NAME OF A PERSON THAT LIVED ON THE EARTH beyond 6000 yrs ? was his name name Joe Smuck or Jane Doe and don’t come back on here and get mad & cuss I want that one name ??????I’m waiting for a answer not what science said ok ???????? U can’t do it and u know u cant!!!!!

      • Ninja of reason

        Well by that logic Pat, I don’t know anyone who has lived beyond 100 years. I guess the world is only a century old right!?
        Let me implement some reality into this discussion. There are overwhelming studies in astronomy, geology, biology and palyetology proving that the earth is at least billions of years old. Now just because your mind find that’s hard to comprehend it doesn’t make it any less true. And you talk about science like it is something to be suspicious of. What does science gain from these studies. What makes science credible is that it adapts its conclusions to the logical study of evidence around us. Where as religion denies anything that contradicts its documents which are so obviously made made fallacies and myths. So instead of badgering Nicole with your stupid nonsensical question why don’t you put forward an argument that supports your position properly. And I don’t want to hear ” because the bible says so”

        • pAT

          You can’t answer my question either you can say this and sat that but you still can’t give me a actual name of a person that existed beyond 6000 yrs. George Washing was here in the 1700’s Abraham lincoln was here in the 1800’s it is documented eyewitness account and recorded give me the name that one person that was here 6000 to a billion yrs. ago answer my question ???????? and we can talk talk further…..YOU CAN’T DO IT AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN’T AND YOU WILL DIE KNOWING YOU CAN’T

          • Ninja of reason

            Yeah Pat, we got your point. You can’t name someone who lived before 6000 years. I’m at peace with that. What’s confusing to me is how you can tell yourself that’s a coherent argument. I can see you have fixated on this one ridiculous question to justify your faith so I’m gonna take the time educate you.
            So…. History is a word used describe the documented past of mankind. Pre- history is a word to describe the past before humans started documenting. There are three pre- historic ages. The Stone Age : the period of time when humans made tools from stone, wood, and bone, the Bronze Age: the period when humans made tools with a mixture of copper and tin called “bronze”, and The Iron Age : the last period of Prehistory that began in Turkey around 1300 BC.
            Pre- history ends when history begins, eg: when people could write their own history. ( Egypt 3,500 B.C.)

            And if you want to start talking about eye witness accounts… Well, there’s none of Jesus’ crucifixion but I’m sure you don’t mind believing in that. Tacitus, a Roman Historian, was the nearest to a documented eye witness account and he wasn’t born till something like 70 A.D.

            So what you are doing, with respect mate, is picking and choosing what u believe not based on evidence in front of you but on what you wish to believe. You are happy to discard fossils but I’m sure you would be ready to rejoice if they found remains of Noah’s Ark.

            So please don’t give me this ” Name a person, you can’t name a person ” BS!

            I think you’ll find I just tore that argument to shreds.

          • Ninja of reason

            So just to conclude, you can’t name someone from before 6000 yrs because humans only started documenting history quite recently ( recently in comparison to the age the earth that is ) and the fact that you can’t name anyone is completely irrelevant and is no argument against the age of the earth being only thousands of years old. This is, by the way, the stupidest argument for the age of the earth I’ve ever had the pleasure of dismantling. Did you come up with that by yourself or is that something your pastor said. Not being condescending, genuinely curious.

          • Ninja of reason

            What’s that Pat? Struggling for a reply are we?

          • Jake

            Your one of the most bigoted idiots I have ever heard. Maybe if yu made it past the fourth grade and somewhere into a college education you could have learned that the human species wasn’t around over a billion years ago but go ahead and keep believing things like dinosaurs have never existed. By the way a crocodile/ alligator is a species that has evolved form prehistoric times as well as things called birds. Have you ever seen a bird? I’m sure you’ll discredit that to because people like you are so closed minded that your too ignorant to ever challenge your own beliefs. I was raised a Christian and after learning actual facts and knowledge I was able to make my own decision on my beliefs rather than relying on what my parents/ grandparents believed maybe if you could take a step back and look at the facts of other studies rather than some men from thousands of years ago supposedly wrote down who had no proper teaching go for it cause I’m sure you’ll say the same ignorant things you stated in prior comments.

        • pAT

          It is documented of people that lived on the earth and we read about it in our history and you say this and that but show me in a history book and give me a actual name of a person that lived here beyond 6000 yrs. to billions yrs. I want that one name of that person ????? You can’t do it and you know u can’t

      • Jonathan

        Actually I can answer your question … and go back a LOT further than 6,000 years. The first person’s name was Homo Erectus (though the records don’t specify Mr. or Mrs.) and he/she lived in Africa over a million years ago.

        However, I admit I can’t vouch for their authenticity. It’s possible (as the Kentucky Creation Museum says) that Satan might have planted the bones along with all those other billions of fossils those evil atheists keep digging up, just to throw us off and cast doubt on God’s Holy Word.

        Praise Jeeesuuus!

        • Jonathan

          Oops, looks like I made a slight typo there. That should clearly have been HOMER Erectus (not HOMO Erectus, implying he was an evil, atheistic sexual pervert and destined to burn in hell for eternity).

          That makes him a male, so Mr. Homer Erectus.

          • John Doe

            Haha Jonathan, for a minute I thought you were kidding and were an immature 12 year old online joking about a person named Homo Erectus. If you see the relation to what I’m saying, just chuckle, don’t respond

        • Bob

          I just lost it. There goes my it. All of my it is lost.
          That post just killed me- thank you.

        • CheeseyPal

          Lucy is 3 million years old.

      • Hal Jacobson

        the city of Ur was founded in 3800 BCE (5800 years ago)
        The oldest human skull discovered was the qafzeh skull, which was over 85000 years old. Explain an 85000 year old skull on a 6000 year old earth
        A man named La Brana lived 7000 years ago
        There is a 9000 year old tree in Europe (that is still alive)
        I gave you that one name, what now?

    • pat

      Nicole I’m waiting for your answer give me a name of a person that lived here beyond 6000 yrs.??? who is it ? Can u find there name ???? and because you can’t who is the ignorant one ?????? You can’t do it and you know ucan’t…look in the mirror before you call other people ingorant.

      • Guest

        You have, inadvertently, given me the empirical evidence I have been looking for to support my new proof for the existence of God: the argument from douche.
        P1: if a maximally douchy entity exists, there must some transendant, countervailing entity which embodies all that which in not douchy. Otherwise, douchiness would have overwhelmed the universe.
        P2: non-douchy things exist, such as Jesus, America, freedom, baseball, Ronald Reagan, etc.
        P3: a maximally douchy entity exists (proven by your last comment ).
        P4: maximal douchiness does not dominate the universe based on the existence of P2 + sunsets, babies, Chuck Norris, etc.
        P5: the transendant embodiment of maximal non-douchiness, which allows for existence of P2, must be spacess, timeless, immaterial, omnipotent, in order to overcome the maximal douchiness of P3.
        That entity is what classical theists call God.
        Thanks again neck beard boy. In all your pseudo-intellectual, teenage angst ridden butthurt fury, you have proven the existence of God!

        • CheeseyPal

          You actually think Reagan was non-douchy?

    • No Name Calling

      Calling people you disagree with “ignorant fucks” only makes you look like an “ignorant fuck” yourself

    • JuJu Crafts

      Oh … somebody needs a hug .. and maybe a warm casserole — perhaps realizing that you don’t have inner peace about your decision to NOT accept deity could trigger a self-searching moment.

    • JuJu Crafts

      So .. you think we have a “spirit” ??? hmmmm interesting thought … perhaps it’s true … there are very few atheists on deathbeds

      • CheeseyPal

        There are plenty of atheists on deathbeds and in foxholes.

    • WallaceLeMay68

      Thanks for this steaming nugget of regurgitated, pseudo-intellectual, Hitchens-Dawkins parroting, neck bearded blather you preening, faux-analytical, basement dwelling clown. This comment really opened my eyes. I mean, this is powerful stuff. After all, we are all atheists towards Thor, right? Some people are just enlightened enough to take it one step further. And we all know Darwin has already explained how the entire universe can function without any need for a creator. Except, well … the Kalaam Cosmological Argument, teleological argument, First Cause / Unmoved Mover, the impossibility of infinite causal regress, the necessity of at least one unconditioned reality, the Argument from Reason, Fine Tuning of Universal Constants, irreducible biological complexity, the argument from morality, Plantina’s modal ontological argument, the free will defense to the problem of evil. … Your entire world view lies shattered at your feet. If you truly honor the gods of reason and logic half as much as you claim, you would plant your face firmly into your hand, step away from the device, find a quiet place, and rethink your life!

  • Patrice

    Congratulations! She looks like the devil himself. Evil. I’m not sure why anyone would advocate this? I’m very sad for you and yours.

    • Rus Shore

      LMAO!! Really?? Exactly how does she look like the devil? That exact same picture could be found on any church billboard, and I doubt anyone would blink an eye. Wait….. I bet you’re one of those people who sees Jesus in toast.

    • Jk

      More Christian, condescending bullshit.

    • Matt

      Saying a child looks like the devil… don’t get desperate, Patrice.

  • Jk

    1. @ the christians, you are the most arrogant, deluded group of people I’ve ever met. From your condescending ” I’ll pray for you” to your “my way or burn “mentality. You really think a book written by humans 2000 years ago has the answers to the mysteries of the universe? Absolutely ignorant.
    2. @ the atheists, trying to ruin the holidays is just a dick move. I’m atheist, but I still celebrate the non-religious aspects of christmas. Know why? Because it’s fun and my family and I enjoy, the food,gifts activities etc…. I don’t join atheist groups anymore than I would join a church cuz you’re just like Christians….Christians- anything non Christian is evil
    ..Atheists- anything religious is the equivalent of evil.
    Don’t be like Jesus freaks and try to ruin a good time, have fun, give gifts, eat and spend tine with friends and family. That’s what christmas should be about, not a glorified zombie named Jesus.

    • Kevin Bruce

      well i am a member of SWiFT and we get together and socialize and there are several community service projects we do, we clean up a section of highway we collect food for a food bank, we donate to children’s hospital, to be honest these are things i would likely not do on my own,

      i would suggest the old adage dont knock it till you have tried it.

    • Rus Shore

      I’ve never heard of an atheist trying to ruin Christmas. Please show me where that’s happening. We simply don’t want our kids to be forced to sing religious-themed Christmas songs in public schools, and this billboard certainly isn’t saying don’t celebrate Christmas.

      • Adam Camp

        My experience in public schools nobody was forced to participate in anything they didn’t want except for attend in the first place. So your child participates because they enjoy or want. If you don’t agree that’s your problem. Create your own school and keep your evil children away from mine.

    • Supernatural

      You are blinded. There is something much bigger than your ego in this existence, but you’ll have to let go of your love affair with yourself to see it. If your intellect is too shallow to grasp the possibility of something bigger than your nose; then your nose is always going to be pointed upward; as it should be, so that you may see there’s something bigger than you in that great big sky. There really is a God; you are not a mere animal; there is a spirit in you; which has the power to make you supernatural. But as the scriptures say; “the fool in his heart says “There is no God”. I pray that Satan will release his grasp on your mind.

      • Jk

        There may be a higher life form, but not a god, just a more evolutionary advanced species. It’s no more a god to us than we are gods to bugs.

      • Jk

        Satan doesn’t exist either, but if he did, sounds like he just got tired of being gods lacky and had some ambition.

  • gonzalo

    yes, cause believing in Santa is much better than the god of all things. Thank you for spot lighting the church though. This sign will strengthen christian faith more and more. May god bless you.

    • Rus Shore

      Yes, because you grow out of the belief in Santa. Somehow you hold onto the fairy tale belief in a fictional god despite an overwhelming lack of physical evidence, and you don’t stop for one second to even question it. We don’t need the blessings of your fairy tale. They are your sugar pill, not ours.

  • Mike O’Connell

    If Christmas or December 25 is just another day on the calendar, why celebrate? By celebrating or changing your daily routine on December 25, you are selling out to your beliefs. Go to work, prepare the same weekly meals, and go about your daily business. And don’t cope out with the spiritual ideas of “Good will to all” that is just a closet atheist way of tell us “life” will be OK if we thrown a couple bucks in the red bucket and get a warm fuzzy feeling. Let me concluded by saying Merry CHRISTmas not Happy Hoildays.

    • Jk

      This time of year is sacred to the Jews, Muslims, and pagans, not just Christians. That’s the reason for “happy holidays”, you idiot. Do some research, Christianity is made up of ideas stolen from older religions, mostly the pagans.

      • Mike OConnell

        Yes Jk, I understand that many religions celebrate festival during the month of December. Buddhism celebrate Bodhi, Hinduism celebrate Panchayat Ganapate, Judaism celebrate Hanukkak. Many more Kwanzaa, Dongzhi, etc. I don’t have a problem other religions celebrating their customs, they have a god that they have surrunder their lives too. The problem I have is people who believe in nothing, but want to get their warm good feeling, by celebrating others religious holidays. Like I said go about your daily routine and celebrate yourself.
        Happy JK Day

        • Jk

          Not believing in a god or goddess is not believing nothing. It’s having an understanding of science and believing in that and being strong enough to not need to believe in a higher power to deal with life’s ups and downs.

  • joemf

    ….ever wonder why atheists feel so threatened by a God they insist doesn’t exist?????

    • Matt

      Finding christian apologetics obnoxious does not equate to “threatened by god” – You can’t be threatened by that which doesn’t exist.

    • Jk

      Lol…we don’t feel threatened, Christians are spreading ignorance and brainwashing kids in their churches, and the cycle repeats. Just trying to break the cycle of ignorance, bro.

      • Lolerbot

        Why do you have to try to shatter peoples beliefs? Are you so cynical that you can’t let people be blissfully ignorant? I know I’d be a lot happier if I was a mental retard living in a group home.

    • Kevin Bruce

      not threatened by a god, threatened by believers absolutely discriminated agaisnt by believers yep.

  • pete

    you people are all just too fucked up

  • Jk

    Is it me or does Jesus sound like a pee pee touching stalker?

    • Lolerbot

      No, Jesus wasn’t a chomo. You’re thinking of his followers who couldn’t take life without creating churches as systems of control. Priests I think they call them.

  • pete

    hope u all burn in hell

    • Jk

      I hope tooth fairy rapes you….that’s more likely than me burning n hell.

      • Kevin Bruce

        best reply ever!!!

  • Patrice

    This is a discussion and disagreement that goes back further in time than any of us can conceive. We all have freedom of speech and a right to our opinions. I agree to disagree.

  • Mr.Information

    Atheists are pure hell raisers, just like the jews. I would not be suprised if the AA are mostly Jews anyway.

    • Jk

      Keep trolling boy

  • Adam Camp

    I think it makes no sense. poorly done what the hell is Santa Claus a fairytale. Quit making you children look dumb.

  • josephvr123
    • josephvr123

      The Defense Rests Your Honor! Waiter; “Check Please”

  • Mo Fo

    I don’t care that these stool sample have these ads.
    My only issue is atheists are pussies..
    I did not see ads like this for Ramadan…
    They well know and fear that the Muzzies would smoke these pussies if these maggots mock Islam……..

    • Jk

      I mock Islam all the time, I even post on craigslist in Syria.

      • Mo Fo

        Pussies, then put up a billboard mocking Mohamed…

        • Jk

          Why should I spend my money, you pay for it, I’ll put it up.

        • Kevin Bruce

          why it seem our money is better well spent targeting the majority

  • Finski

    The ad is clever. Yes, the girl (possibly) believes in Santa. Santa, as our society promotes him, is also a fairy tale kids are fed.

  • S Forbes

    Closet atheists? Why would any atheist in the United States need to be closeted? Even in Memphis.

    • Kevin Bruce

      because sadly discrimination against atheist is still far too common.

  • vlad

    Who is Santa ? She says that she is too old for fairy tail.

    • Lolerbot

      Santa is St. Nicholas, also called Nikolaos of Myra. He was a historic 4th-century Christian saint and Greek Bishop of Myra. Santa is a modern day representation of an old time christian religious leader. Belief in Santa is belief in a Christian Saint. Atheists beware, Santa will lead you to worship of God before too long.

      • Kevin Bruce

        well if you ignore the Germanic / Norse origins in woden/oden

  • Lolerbot

    I see what you did there. Obvious troll is obvious. This confirms that the lot of you “atheist activists” are just another gulag of trolls. The irony of her belief in Santa being stronger than her belief in God is not lost on me. Kek.

    Believing that something cannot exist because only anecdotal evidence exists is a declaration of faith in reproducible material science over all. Aliens and Bigfoot and cold fusion cannot exist either.

    At best proper science should have God in the black box of “things unknown or yet unknowable” at this point, which are possible but not provable. To say anything “… cannot exist because there is not sufficient evidence.” is a perversion of scientific principles as you cannot sufficiently prove the non-existence of something until you have complete knowledge of all that does exist, and we are far from that point in our accumulation of knowledge.

    Come back to me in a few hundred million years and we can discuss the likelihood of God’s existence, until then you and your beliefs and your modus operandi are demonstrably simple “anti-Christianity” trolling. If the non-existence of God is self evidentiary, then let the facts speak for themselves and let people learn and accept it without the need proselytize your faith in atheism.

    • Kevin Bruce

      how about we do proper science and start with the null.

      how about we put god in the circular file of things assertedyet compleately lack justification to think that it is the case….

  • Iokobos

    So the atheists mock Christians by asking Santa for help… seems to be cognitive dissonance somewhere…

    • Lolerbot

      And in turn Santa (aka St Nicholas), who is a patron saint of children, coopers, sailors, fishermen, merchants, broadcasters, the falsely accused, repentant thieves, pharmacists, archers, bankers, and pawnbrokers, will in turn do his job and be an emissary to God and get God to grant the wish. Am I missing something here, or am I over thinking this?

      • Iokobos

        Yes, the part where St Nicholas was granted that status after his death by the opinions of the mortal Pope and has no power over the immortal God.

        But you completely missed the part when the Atheist is asking for a dead guy to perform a wish. Kudos.

        • Lolerbot

          So true! So many levels of irony in this troll. Reminds me of 4chan back when /b/ was good. This is truly delicious cake. Props to whatever troll was the OP with this one.

      • Kevin Bruce

        santa actually has its origins in old Norse and Germanic religion and was a role played by oden/woden

  • Jk

    I’m not pagan, but this proves Christianity is bullshit.
    Jesus
    Jesus and all the events of his life were copied from numerous Pagan stories. The timing, significance and manner of his death, resurrection and birth were taken from the gods Attis, Orpheus, Heracles, Mithra and Dionysus. Even his titles, such as “the Lamb of God” were taken from previous material. All of his miracles were common tricks of Pagans before his time as well. Attis was crucified 200 years before Jesus supposedly was.

    Virgin birth
    Pagan sun gods and harvest gods were traditionally born of virgins, often a virgin temple priestess…

    Mary
    Many different ancient cultures used “Mary” or a derivative of that name is the name of their goddess who bore god. This was also the ritual name of the temple harlots of the time who would have sex with those who made offerings to the temple in exchange for a symbolic union with the goddess, whom they were said to represent, just as the priest is the direct representative of God in Christian cosmology. All temple priestesses were considered to be “virgins” despite their many sex partners because the laity were not having sex with the woman, but rather with the Goddess.

    Christmas
    No one really knows when Jesus was born, possibly because he was not, so the Catholics, in a bid to convert Pagans, set the date of his birth on the Winter Solstice, which is the day when sun gods of many pre-Christian cultures were said to have been born as it is the shortest day of the year and thus signifies light overcoming dark. The tree and mistletoe are also of Pagan origin.

    The Cross and the Fish
    The cross, other than a symbol of torture, is a symbol of the lingam, or phallus. The Christian cross differs significantly from the Egyptian cross of life which also includes the yoni, the feminine principle. The fish, also a yoni symbol, was originally a symbol of the goddess as well.

    Easter
    Easter was named for the Saxon Goddess Eostre. The Easter Bunny and the eggs left for good children are German Pagan myths. The image of the god buried in his tomb rising to live again on Easter is a Pagan one. This day marked spring and, therefore, rebirth.

    Eucharist
    Wine has been used as a symbol for divine blood in many pre-Christian cultures. For instance, worshippers of Dionysus drank it in communion, but Jews, like Jesus and his followers, were strongly opposed to such rituals. Pagans also used wine to symbolize the blood of the goddess, from which all life was nourished. Followers of Osiris ate bread used to symbolize his flesh.

    Marriage
    Early Christians scorned the Jewish tradition of marriage which they inherited for being too Pagan and based on sexual union, which they saw as the most heinous of acts. Paul even suggests that he may have suffered self-inflicted castration; when someone asked if he was circumcised, he commented that the question did not apply to him. Marriage was added later on to help convert Pagans.

    Valentine’s Day
    Originally called, Lupercalia, this was a day when each person put their name into a drawing and the person who drew their name became their sexual partner for the day. The pieces of paper have been tamed down to be notes of love. Saint Valentine himself was invented in order to give a Christian meaning to the holiday.

    The Trinity
    Pre-Christian Pagans also had a trinity; it was the Triple Goddess: Maiden, Mother and Crone. It represented all stages of the life cycle. The Fates were one version of this.
    Note: Even the “Golden Rule” was ripped off, though from Buddhism rather than Pagansim. It makes one wonder what would be left if all of these things were stripped away!

    Jesus
    Jesus and all the events of his life were copied from numerous Pagan stories. The timing, significance and manner of his death, resurrection and birth were taken from the gods Attis, Orpheus, Heracles, Mithra and Dionysus. Even his titles, such as “the Lamb of God” were taken from previous material. All of his miracles were common tricks of Pagans before his time as well. Attis was crucified 200 years before Jesus supposedly was.

    Virgin birth
    Pagan sun gods and harvest gods were traditionally born of virgins, often a virgin temple priestess…

    Mary
    Many different ancient cultures used “Mary” or a derivative of that name is the name of their goddess who bore god. This was also the ritual name of the temple harlots of the time who would have sex with those who made offerings to the temple in exchange for a symbolic union with the goddess, whom they were said to represent, just as the priest is the direct representative of God in Christian cosmology. All temple priestesses were considered to be “virgins” despite their many sex partners because the laity were not having sex with the woman, but rather with the Goddess.

    Christmas
    No one really knows when Jesus was born, possibly because he was not, so the Catholics, in a bid to convert Pagans, set the date of his birth on the Winter Solstice, which is the day when sun gods of many pre-Christian cultures were said to have been born as it is the shortest day of the year and thus signifies light overcoming dark. The tree and mistletoe are also of Pagan origin.

    The Cross and the Fish
    The cross, other than a symbol of torture, is a symbol of the lingam, or phallus. The Christian cross differs significantly from the Egyptian cross of life which also includes the yoni, the feminine principle. The fish, also a yoni symbol, was originally a symbol of the goddess as well.

    Easter
    Easter was named for the Saxon Goddess Eostre. The Easter Bunny and the eggs left for good children are German Pagan myths. The image of the god buried in his tomb rising to live again on Easter is a Pagan one. This day marked spring and, therefore, rebirth.

    Eucharist
    Wine has been used as a symbol for divine blood in many pre-Christian cultures. For instance, worshippers of Dionysus drank it in communion, but Jews, like Jesus and his followers, were strongly opposed to such rituals. Pagans also used wine to symbolize the blood of the goddess, from which all life was nourished. Followers of Osiris ate bread used to symbolize his flesh.

    Marriage
    Early Christians scorned the Jewish tradition of marriage which they inherited for being too Pagan and based on sexual union, which they saw as the most heinous of acts. Paul even suggests that he may have suffered self-inflicted castration; when someone asked if he was circumcised, he commented that the question did not apply to him. Marriage was added later on to help convert Pagans.

    Valentine’s Day
    Originally called, Lupercalia, this was a day when each person put their name into a drawing and the person who drew their name became their sexual partner for the day. The pieces of paper have been tamed down to be notes of love. Saint Valentine himself was invented in order to give a Christian meaning to the holiday.

    The Trinity
    Pre-Christian Pagans also had a trinity; it was the Triple Goddess: Maiden, Mother and Crone. It represented all stages of the life cycle. The Fates were one version of this.
    Note: Even the “Golden Rule” was ripped off, though from Buddhism rather than Pagansim. It makes one wonder what would be left if all of these things were stripped away!

  • Jeffry Gordon

    Was this absolutely necessary? My atheist creds are as good as anyone here, but me pushing that point of view onto people who don’t want it makes me no different than the extreme social conservative pushing his view on me. If someone needs a sign like that to “come out of the closet” as an atheist, they are so weak they have other more pressing problems than religion. There is no good justification for peeing on someone’s parade. If Christians want to celebrate this time of year that is fine with me. And I will tell you something else…I don’t go bonkers if a Christian wishes me a Merry Christmas either. I figure it is important to them so it is a compliment to me that they chose to say that to me.

    • Kevin Bruce

      when i was in high school i stopped believing and was agnostic and on my way to identifying as an atheist, but i didnt even know i was because those words were not a part of my vocabulary. the coverage of these billboards has put the word out there and i hope budding atheist learn 2 things 1 that there is a word that describes them and 2 that they are not alone.
      i am a member of SWiFt and i donated to get that sign up in Milwaukee

  • Shar

    So why is she writing to Santa if she doesn’t believe in fairytales???

  • Diana

    My sister, who is an atheist, gladly joins us for Christmas Eve services. She is not forced, coerced, and we all know how she believes. I don’t know her specific reasons for joining, but it’s probably just because it’s a tradition and she enjoys the time with family. And the service is very nice. Is it possible that so many other atheists do the same thing for the same reason?

  • Diana

    My question is, why do atheist organizations exclusively target Christian groups and holidays, when the country has many different faiths represented? Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Hindus, just to name a few. The first two have several holidays throughout the year that are celebrated by millions. And yet, the billboards put up are targeted to Christians and their holidays. And even in the article above, you state that your convention is on Easter weekend. Why not just put the dates and leave Easter out of it? I’m asking because I sincerely want to know, not because I want to start an argument, so please be respectful in your replies.

    • Jk

      Because Christians are the ones trying to spread their faith to others and putting up their own billboards. Believe what you want, but don’t go door to door, or hand out flyers trying to convert. That’s what people don’t like is you trying to convert others.

  • OpusDave

    The billboard
    board does not condemn anything or communicate hate…It is a very mild
    statement by a group of Americans, who happen to be a minority, and are
    entitled to voice their opinion under the provisions of the 1st Amendment. Any
    church in any community that broadcasts any kind of holiday sentiment in words or symbolism has the same right. Tolerance is when you take whichever
    message you accept and apply it to your life in your own way and do not
    condemn, insult or attack those who choose something different. Jesus said
    something to the same affect around John 13:34. Matthew 5:44 says “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you”. Mr. or Ms. Cracker is a bit obtuse in his or her comments (and grammar) but I do acknowledge his or her right to express those views however poorly he or she wishes. I am just glad he or she is not on my team. Technically most Satanists are theists if they worship Satan. Christians believe Satan is real, so the foundation of worshipping Satan is as legitimate as Christianity. It is just a different team. Homosexuality is not a theistic or atheistic practice. There are a lot of Christian homosexuals, several of whom happen to be ministers and priests. Mr. or Mrs. Cracker’s benighted commentary is a clear illustration that he or she has been “indoctrinated” him or herself and was probably done so voluntarily. It is so great that the internet provides a free and open forum even to the simple.

  • Eddie Bishop

    As an atheist, I respect the idea of this billboard, but I think it was done in a totally wrong way. I appreciate the thought of sparking conversation among people, but I think the billboard is slightly aggressive. It seems like an attack on religion, which in turn only makes atheists look like religion bullies. That definitely is not the way we should be conveyed to the public. We don’t like being haggled about being atheists, so why haggle people for being religious? There is a right and wrong way to approach the conversation.

  • Chelsea

    I am a Christian. Have been since I accepted God’s gift of salvation at 7 years of age. Now, as a mom, I find it important to take my child to church and raise him the way I was raised. There is an indescribable feeling of security and a love that can only be known as a child of God, and I want my child to have the same opportunity of acceptance as I did. I have some atheist friends, they always want to argue about my faith. How I am wasting my time, my child’s time, because none of it is true. You cannot judge how I feel about my faith if you have never experienced it. And I always go back to this, so what if I have spent my life in hope and love? If your right, oh well. But what if I’m right?

    • Jk

      You’re an arrogant ass. You can only feel love and security by being a child of god? That’s Christian BS that pisses people off, not the fact that you believe in talking snakes and growing women from the ribs of men

      • Jessica

        I would just like to point out you are saying she is living in a world of fictional stories. Well I believe your atheist ad has a letter to santa on it…

        • Jk

          Lol…do you understand sarcasm….like the letter to Santa?

        • Kevin Bruce

          clearly the irony was lost on you….

  • yupyup

    ok but just don’t call the day by Christ’s name…eg Christmas…and do what you’d like to do that day….no one is forcing you to go to church so why cry out in opposition about it?

    • Lolerbot

      What makes me laugh is that these “Atheist Activists” consider God a fiction, but complain about having to sing christmas carols in school. They would rather sing about fictions like Frosty the Snowman, Roudolph the Red Nosed Raindeer, and Santa Claus I suppose. Why are they getting offended and so emotionally charged by what they consider nothing but a fictional character? These people live in a fantasy land where such things matter I suppose.

      • Kevin Bruce

        might have something to do with that particular fictional character being part of a self-esteem killing narrative.

        Christianity tells us we were born wrong so wrong that we deserve to burn and no matter how good you try to be its still not good enough to spare you from the fire,

      • Jk

        True, I guess singing about god isn’t bad since it’s the same category as Rudolph, frosty, and Santa. I think I’m going start a religion that worships Han Solo, after all , the bible is nothing more than a sci-if novel, minus the sci.

        • Lolerbot

          The Unitarian’s will even give you a venue to gather and worship Han.

  • guest

    Unless you believe in the only and true God don’t post. This is trying to force us into atheism. If you believe it you’re as stupid as anyone. Don’t try to force us into a religion. Atheists are dumb and are not smart. Some spend their whole life in this religion. Who created us if their isn’t a God. NEWSFLASH! We don’t come from a “bomb” and we weren’t monkeys. Need proof. You have baby pictures. Atheists, you can’t say it is a fairy tale it people believe it. So quit it you insulters. #watchtheoreillyfactoronfoxnews. Unless you believe in television! Watch your little g people. God knows and you will find out one day if you don’t shut up!

    • Kevin Bruce

      this is so poorly written it must be a poe

    • Jk

      Lol…you’re an idiot. Just because nobody has the all the answers, doesn’t mean there’s a god by default. Christianity is just made of stolen ideas and stories from older religions anyway. One true god…? You’re an arrogant prick.

  • Steve Kratz

    These atheists told everyone when their first batch of “Godless? We can help” type ads went up all over that they weren’t attacking Christianity. I call BS. At least I won’t have to share my room with any of these guys in the afterlife.

    • Kevin Bruce

      if there is a heaven and hell and those who assert i am going to hell are going to heaven it makes me actually want to go to hell because an eternity with you lot is far worse than anything that could happen in hell.

      so why is it so many Christians make hell seem more appealing?

      • Steve Kratz

        Because that’s where those lacking morals can hang with others of similar mindsets?

        • Jk

          Right, Christians have great mortals, they don’t rape kids, didn’t kill thousands of non Christians during the Crusades and the story of “Job” is and incredibly moral story. Doubt you even know your own stories from your bible.

          • Steve Kratz

            Never said all Christians were infallible. However, if you live by the teachings of Christ (I do believe that’s the definition of ‘Christian’ still), I’d like to think you know the right versus wrong when it comes to “raping kids.”

            The Book of Job, by the way, is Old Testament – not precisely that which defines a follower of Christ… Now you have me doubting whether I’m arguing with someone that really has no idea other than thinking that bashing Christians is the cool “in” thing to do.

          • Jk

            Why do Christians need Jesus to be moral. I don’t, I’m a good husband and father, Ive helped lots of people in various ways and ive rejected the idea of any god since I was a kid. Then again Christians think they are the only ones that know what morality is, because your fictitious god says so. Your name is Steve? I assume you’re a male? Abortion is an issue for women to work out, at least until men can be me pregnant. I stay out of the abortion debate since I’m not a woman.

          • Steve Kratz

            1- Never said you can’t be “moral” without Jesus. However, His teachings provide a damn good basis for living your life in a good manner.

            2-Abortion IS an issue I concern myself with as a HUMAN BEING. Biology 101 – Half of the process of making a baby requires ‘input’ from a male. If the mother of your children had decided to go get an abortion without you being involved, you can honestly say you’d just say “Oh well, it’s her decision”? I think that says a lot for you.

          • Jk

            Why so you Jesus to teach these things? Why can’t people just teach things? Some of the things Jesus teaches are immoral. Abortion is your concern for you and your other, but the issue as a whole is an issue for women.

          • Jk

            I’m not pagan, I’m agnostic….but Christianity is not an original religion.
            Jesus
            Jesus and all the events of his life were copied from numerous Pagan stories. The timing, significance and manner of his death, resurrection and birth were taken from the gods Attis, Orpheus, Heracles, Mithra and Dionysus. Even his titles, such as “the Lamb of God” were taken from previous material. All of his miracles were common tricks of Pagans before his time as well. Attis was crucified 200 years before Jesus supposedly was.

            Virgin birth
            Pagan sun gods and harvest gods were traditionally born of virgins, often a virgin temple priestess…

            Mary
            Many different ancient cultures used “Mary” or a derivative of that name is the name of their goddess who bore god. This was also the ritual name of the temple harlots of the time who would have sex with those who made offerings to the temple in exchange for a symbolic union with the goddess, whom they were said to represent, just as the priest is the direct representative of God in Christian cosmology. All temple priestesses were considered to be “virgins” despite their many sex partners because the laity were not having sex with the woman, but rather with the Goddess.

            Christmas
            No one really knows when Jesus was born, possibly because he was not, so the Catholics, in a bid to convert Pagans, set the date of his birth on the Winter Solstice, which is the day when sun gods of many pre-Christian cultures were said to have been born as it is the shortest day of the year and thus signifies light overcoming dark. The tree and mistletoe are also of Pagan origin.

            The Cross and the Fish
            The cross, other than a symbol of torture, is a symbol of the lingam, or phallus. The Christian cross differs significantly from the Egyptian cross of life which also includes the yoni, the feminine principle. The fish, also a yoni symbol, was originally a symbol of the goddess as well.

            Easter
            Easter was named for the Saxon Goddess Eostre. The Easter Bunny and the eggs left for good children are German Pagan myths. The image of the god buried in his tomb rising to live again on Easter is a Pagan one. This day marked spring and, therefore, rebirth.

            Eucharist
            Wine has been used as a symbol for divine blood in many pre-Christian cultures. For instance, worshippers of Dionysus drank it in communion, but Jews, like Jesus and his followers, were strongly opposed to such rituals. Pagans also used wine to symbolize the blood of the goddess, from which all life was nourished. Followers of Osiris ate bread used to symbolize his flesh.

            Marriage
            Early Christians scorned the Jewish tradition of marriage which they inherited for being too Pagan and based on sexual union, which they saw as the most heinous of acts. Paul even suggests that he may have suffered self-inflicted castration; when someone asked if he was circumcised, he commented that the question did not apply to him. Marriage was added later on to help convert Pagans.

            Valentine’s Day
            Originally called, Lupercalia, this was a day when each person put their name into a drawing and the person who drew their name became their sexual partner for the day. The pieces of paper have been tamed down to be notes of love. Saint Valentine himself was invented in order to give a Christian meaning to the holiday.

            The Trinity
            Pre-Christian Pagans also had a trinity; it was the Triple Goddess: Maiden, Mother and Crone. It represented all stages of the life cycle. The Fates were one version of this.
            Note: Even the “Golden Rule” was ripped off, though from Buddhism rather than Pagansim. It makes one wonder what would be left if all of these things were stripped away!

            Jesus
            Jesus and all the events of his life were copied from numerous Pagan stories. The timing, significance and manner of his death, resurrection and birth were taken from the gods Attis, Orpheus, Heracles, Mithra and Dionysus. Even his titles, such as “the Lamb of God” were taken from previous material. All of his miracles were common tricks of Pagans before his time as well. Attis was crucified 200 years before Jesus supposedly was.

            Virgin birth
            Pagan sun gods and harvest gods were traditionally born of virgins, often a virgin temple priestess…

            Mary
            Many different ancient cultures used “Mary” or a derivative of that name is the name of their goddess who bore god. This was also the ritual name of the temple harlots of the time who would have sex with those who made offerings to the temple in exchange for a symbolic union with the goddess, whom they were said to represent, just as the priest is the direct representative of God in Christian cosmology. All temple priestesses were considered to be “virgins” despite their many sex partners because the laity were not having sex with the woman, but rather with the Goddess.

            Christmas
            No one really knows when Jesus was born, possibly because he was not, so the Catholics, in a bid to convert Pagans, set the date of his birth on the Winter Solstice, which is the day when sun gods of many pre-Christian cultures were said to have been born as it is the shortest day of the year and thus signifies light overcoming dark. The tree and mistletoe are also of Pagan origin.

            The Cross and the Fish
            The cross, other than a symbol of torture, is a symbol of the lingam, or phallus. The Christian cross differs significantly from the Egyptian cross of life which also includes the yoni, the feminine principle. The fish, also a yoni symbol, was originally a symbol of the goddess as well.

            Easter
            Easter was named for the Saxon Goddess Eostre. The Easter Bunny and the eggs left for good children are German Pagan myths. The image of the god buried in his tomb rising to live again on Easter is a Pagan one. This day marked spring and, therefore, rebirth.

            Eucharist
            Wine has been used as a symbol for divine blood in many pre-Christian cultures. For instance, worshippers of Dionysus drank it in communion, but Jews, like Jesus and his followers, were strongly opposed to such rituals. Pagans also used wine to symbolize the blood of the goddess, from which all life was nourished. Followers of Osiris ate bread used to symbolize his flesh.

            Marriage
            Early Christians scorned the Jewish tradition of marriage which they inherited for being too Pagan and based on sexual union, which they saw as the most heinous of acts. Paul even suggests that he may have suffered self-inflicted castration; when someone asked if he was circumcised, he commented that the question did not apply to him. Marriage was added later on to help convert Pagans.

            Valentine’s Day
            Originally called, Lupercalia, this was a day when each person put their name into a drawing and the person who drew their name became their sexual partner for the day. The pieces of paper have been tamed down to be notes of love. Saint Valentine himself was invented in order to give a Christian meaning to the holiday.

            The Trinity
            Pre-Christian Pagans also had a trinity; it was the Triple Goddess: Maiden, Mother and Crone. It represented all stages of the life cycle. The Fates were one version of this.
            Note: Even the “Golden Rule” was ripped off, though from Buddhism rather than Pagansim. It makes one wonder what would be left if all of these things were stripped away!

          • Steve Kratz

            Plagiarize much?

          • Jk

            Keep your head in the sand, it’s a good place, for you.

          • Steve Kratz

            And you keep trolling, troll. Have a good day.

          • Jk

            You came to an atheist board post Christianity, who is the troll again?

    • Jk

      At least i don’t have share the great things on earth with you since you’re more worried about a fictional after life.

      • Steve Kratz

        Great things, like…? Murder, abortion, rape, theft?

        • Jk

          Lol…I see why you believe in a god ….you’re an idiot.

          • Steve Kratz

            Excellent — Have to love it when you’re arguing with someone that resorts to name calling with reply #2. That the way you prefer to state “I lost the argument”?

          • Jk

            Lol….if those are the only things you see in our life here on Earth, then you’re an idiot. It wasn’t name calling, it was an accurate description based on your reply.

          • Steve Kratz

            Done with you… Arguing with a troll…

  • Khangwe Ramaano

    Has it ever occurred to
    atheists that Christmas is a Christian festival celebrating Christ’s birth? And
    has it ever occurred to them that a child is the sole responsibility of the
    parents who gave birth to the child or legal guardians to the child and that
    they will raise the child the way they see fit, including the child being
    “forced” to attend Christmas mass?….Why don’t atheists rather focus
    their fights on having the day abolished as a national holiday because no such
    thing called God exists, after all they believe it’s all a fantasy and fairy
    tale; that will be a fair fight.

    As for me and my family I
    will take a week off during Christmas from my annual leave and celebrate Christ’s
    birth, Worship my Lord, go to church and pray. You atheist can go on as if it’s
    just another day. Just let me be delusional in peace. I love my delusion and I
    am very happy with it. I appreciate the fact that you care and you want to
    enlighten with the “truth” but I am comfortable with my own truth; that Jesus
    Christ is the Son of God my Father, that he was raised from the Dead and that
    through Him my sins are forgiven and the fact that the Holy Spirit is with me
    as write this piece.

    • scott

      Amen, my beliefs to!!! Glory be to God our Father, thru His Son JESUS who was, who is, and who is to come!! He is the Beginning and the End. The Alpha and Omega!! Father forgive these atheist for they no not what they do!!

      • Jk

        I know exactly what I do. I don’t need forgiveness from your god. Even if it did exist, I reject its judgement, give it the finger and live MY life. You guys are such arrogant pricks with your passive aggressive bs.

        • scott

          you really have a lot of hate in you. earlier you said you live a moral life and do good things for others. who are the others you speak of? you certainly hate believers so we must not exist in your non believing world. you really need to look in the mirror with all that arrogant talk you speak of.

          • Jk

            I’m just tired of all the ” we will pray for you, you will be judged, non Christians go to hell” and all that passive aggressive nonsense. It’s gets really old.

          • scott

            Well I for one will admit there are some religions that are very judgemental and that is wrong. Jesus said “Why do you worry about the splinter in your brothers eye when you have a plank in yours”. I don’t judge you, and it is our responsibility by Christ to tell the world about Him. Not beat you into believing, but to put it out there so others could have the chance to discern what they believe is true. God will work on your heart from there.

          • Jk

            Lol you really don’t see how that’s offensive or arrogant, do you? Just like the asshole I saw today with the giant sign that said ” Jesus is the reason for the season”. I’m cool with free speech, so I didn’t do anything, but that’s incredibly offensive on many levels.

          • JuJu Crafts

            I have to agree with Scott on this one, you do have a lot of pent up negative feelings … on a scientific, psychologically based view point … you might want to get that checked out … Scientist have helped create medications that can help you since you choose to (speaking of God) “give it the finger and live MY life. ” Hope you find some peace, and again MERRY CHRISTMAS!! <– WOOPS there goes those attacks again ….

    • Jk

      So Jesus is a nothing more than a glorified zombie? I prove in my post a few days ago that Christianity is bs. I’m sure you either won’t read it out of fear or you’ll try to say its all lies. It’s a fact that Christianity and most of your holidays and stories were stolen from older religions and used as a way to convert those that followed the older religions by the Romans.

      • JuJu Crafts

        I’ve read all your posts lol … you just sound like a whiner who doesn’t get his way just telling people “they’re ignorant” or “delusional” why … because science doesn’t have the facts to back you up … I don’t need man-supported-facts .. my faith and my beliefs are not in man and I don’t need mankind’s approval for what I know to be true.

        • Jk

          Well…enjoy your imaginary friend…:0

  • scott

    I do believe in God. I do believe in Jesus. So I would like to know why do you have to attack us. If you don’t believe then fine that’s your choice. Why put up billboards to discredit our beliefs and try to stray folks away from what they believe with this ad campaign. Its just like the homos out there that come “out of a closet somewhere” to tell he whole world their queer thru the media and expect us to throw a parade for them. So let me ask you folks something. Our Belief says we will all stand before God and give an account for our lives. And that we will spend an eternity either in Heaven or Hell. Life here on earth is short. Our life passes like the wind. Eternity on the other hand is forever. So why would you want to risk living in a lake of fire for all eternity just because you believe there is no God. Have you really done enuff research into who God is to come to this conclusion of non belief or are you going by false scientific data. If Darwin-ism is true and we evolved from apes then why hasn’t life kept evolving. Evolving is an ongoing process, it never ends. I guess what really angers me is all the organizations that want to blast Christians while trying to force us, thru your smere campaigns against our God, to accept your beliefs. Go believe what you want and in the end we will all see the truth! But be very careful because God who will have the final say will be your judge. Not the believers!

    • Jk

      We attack Christians because Christians attack us and try to convert everybody. It’s not enough for you to believe what you want, you must try to spread your bs and use it in the making laws. You just attacked us with that empty threat of your bogus god being our judge. Try educating yourself and quit being so ignorant. Ignorance doesn’t mean there’s a god. You’re religion isn’t even original, it’s a rip-off of others.

      • scott

        Before Jesus ascended into heaven he gave us a proclamation to unto all the world and spread the gospel. Just the mere fact the God gives you the opportunity to accept or reject that gospel is not an attack at all. you don’t want to believe great. All Jesus asked us to do is present the gospel. Out of love we don’t anyone to go to hell, but I get it that you don’t believe in such a place. I certainly respect you for that. But what if Im right? If we Christians are wrong the jokes on us. My comment about God was not an attack at all. He is the ultimate Judge and will judge us all, me included. I guess we’ll see when we die who’s right and wrong here.

        • scott

          by the way that comment about us using God to make laws is so incorrect. Look at the news, your non believing crowd has definitely gotten the upperhand on that. No school prayer [like that stops anybody from doing], abortion [no sanctity of life in your crowd. you get pregnant – kill it – its not a human till it evolves from the womb – and if you still don’t want it then theres partial birth abortions] Cant put crosses up, nativity scene’s have to come down. Heck your associations even try to dictate what our pastors can and cannot preach on. This is just a small amount of the harassment we endure at the hands of your thinking people. And Im ignorant. Always your comeback.

          • Jk

            Not my crowd, I don’t have a crowd, I’m an individual. I’m not atheist I’m agnostic. The fact that you think a god has the right to judge is my issue. I really don’t think a life form as advanced as a god would be that petty and have some of the worst traits of humanity. You guys give god human characteristics. If there is a god, it would have to be so far ahead of us in the evolutionary process, none of us could possibly comprehend it. It would be like a bug trying to comprehend the internet. It also would give much thought to us or what we do anymore than we concern ourselves with bugs. Sorry, we not that special and weren’t created as a holy gesture.

          • scott

            Well u certainly put all believers in a crowd, and likewise im an individual with the same beliefs as many others about God and Christ. To educate you Christianity though many think its a religion is really a faith. A faith of something not seen but believed. God in His word gave the account of why we were created in the first place. It was His greatest creation to fellowship with us and one day to bring us home. God gave His Son as the last opportunity for mankind to be reconciled to Him. He doesn’t make it hard to understand [like a bug on a computer]. He put it out there so even the dumbest of people could understand. You have that choice to accept or reject it. Its certainly, by your tone, your choice to reject it. Great that’s your decision and I have no problem with that. I will keep on being the idiot and one day go home to the God who created me! By the way how do cars, homes, things you by in stores, get produced. Is it thru some species of things that have evolved into those items? Or did someone created those things for everyone to enjoy? Everything in order to be something had a creator to figure it all out and put it in motion. Likewise I don’t believe all this just happened and there is a God who created everything and will one day reconcile it all back to Himself.

          • Jk

            Ok, if everything had a creator, who created God? You really need to educate yourself and not be so afraid. You’re way over complicating evolution when it’s very simple and plain to see in everyday live.

          • JuJu Crafts

            why do you think He had to be “created” ??–there never was a beginning and “hence there will never be an end” ” that looks like eternity” … the “eternities are simple conversation but go beyond the capacity of man” (paraphrasing) – you need to educate yourself and realize that humans in their weak and simple state know VERY little —

          • Jk

            The guy above said everything has a creator, denouncing evolution. So if that’s the case, who created god?

          • JuJu Crafts

            God (or as the Bible said “WE” — created – so even a plurality beings with one main being as the head (some people may call it the Godhead, Eternal Counsel, etc. again limited humanity) — nobody said that God was created … where did you get that?

          • Jk

            One more time…..the guy above said everything has a creator, so if that’s the case, then who created god? Also, if your god is real, what came before? Was there just nothingness, then god sprang up and created everything?

          • JuJu Crafts

            and agnostics aren’t a crowd? a group? keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better … but I do agree that humans are on the low end of the totem pole in understanding God …

          • Jk

            I don’t belong to a group or follow unwritten laws of those groups.

          • JuJu Crafts

            you do realize that agnostic means : a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God. .. don’t you?

          • Jk

            Yes, I don’t discount the idea of more advanced or ancient entities. Doesn’t make it or them a god or gods anymore than we are a god to insects.

      • JuJu Crafts

        when someone truly feels they have found something that brings them happiness and good feelings and they want to share it with you .. you call it an “attack” … hmmmm interesting … guess what …the Crusades are over

        • Jk

          Religion is bogus and a lie. Things like ” Jesus is the reason for the season” etc….are attacks and lies.

          • JuJu Crafts

            attacks and lies ? LOL sounds whiny to me … Jesus did exist (historical fact) … oh and HAPPY HOLIDAYS! MERRY CHRISTMAS 🙂 <— SORRY for the "attack" mwhahahaha

          • Jk

            If you think Jesus is the reason for the season, then you’re very uneducated and very intolerant of other faiths.

    • Jk

      Life has kept evolving, it evolves everyday. Do you even know how it works? Are there really people as ignorant as you even with the web and endless access to information? WTF?

      • scott

        according to Darwin we evolved from apes. what I was referring to was if that is true then what is mans next step. what will he evolve to. where all all the new species that have evolved from other species without sex being a part of that equation? So since you are a smart bird enlighten me on how you think evolution works.

        • Jk

          I’m not going to give you complete lesson on evolutionary biology. We are still evolving and have never stopped, but our society has slowed it down because our society enable those that would not have survived to live and to reproduce. Maybe that’s another evolutionary step. We are living longer, we are getting bigger, our fingers are longer and our small toe seems to be shrinking. There’s no telling what the next step is. Evolution isn’t some great mystical thing, it’s survival of the fittest the passing of traits.

          • scott

            Maybe that’s another evolutionary step? you mean you don’t know for certain? Then maybe there is a God which I do believe is true! we are not living longer. The folks in the old testament lived well into the hundreds. life expectancy is only 75 for man at current predictions. Our features haven’t changed as a species. We are, as humans, the only species that can reason with itself and build things and basically take care of this planet. As God created us to do. The survival of the fittest you talk about is an animal trait. Yes evolution isn’t a mystical thing, its a bunch of garbage. The only evolving we are doing is moving this world away from the Creator to a world of self. Theres no wonder we are in the shape we’re in – in this country today. and we wont last much longer.

          • Jk

            Lol…so a talking snake, a man growing a woman from his rib is believable, but survival of the fittest is garbage? You only know the bullshit they teach in church and only the bullshit you read in the bible. Christians and Muslims are the problem with the world and the sooner you kill each other off the better. Now that would be an evolutionary jump. Your religion is just a cheap rip off of other, much older religions. In short…you’re an idiot. Bye

          • scott

            Belief is in the eye of the beholder. Much easier for me to believe the bible and the existence of God then some crap about we come from monkeys. I get your angry tone and how much you hate believers. I also get it that you think we’re idiots when you absolutely offer no concrete evidence to your own belief of how things got here. You also mention your kind wants to be free from religion when in fact your keynote speaker at your convention this next year is a preacher at a satanic church. Go ahead and hurl some more insults at us. really that’s all u got.

          • Jk

            I don’t have a keynote speaker since I belong to no group. A satanic church huh, no different than Christian church, both BS. There is plenty of solid evidence, but there’s no point in explaining it to your kind. You’ll just blindly reject it anyway since you’re so brainwashed. I do despise all religion, it does nothing but cause wars, holds us back, and is nothing more than antiquated beliefs from more primitive times which with all the access to information, there is no excuse for.

          • JuJu Crafts

            survival of the fittest is still adaptation .. you know — the longest haired cattle/oxen live the longest through the winters … but guess what … they’re still cattle and oxen

          • Jk

            ….your point?

          • JuJu Crafts

            That’s not evolution … I don’t have wisdom teeth because ? that’s an adaptation … there have been no “creatures” found in the midst of transforming from one species into another complete species … if indeed that did take millions of years to complete, then how did those that “mutated” suddenly have another to breed with,,, or did they have the ability to breed with themselves and simply continue to create a new species …. canines are still canines … felines are still felines … where is this complete evolution you speak of (not some theory or hand-drawn guesses)?

          • Jk

            I have my degree and majored in evolutionary biology. You can’t tell me anything and I’m not going to wasted my time trying to teach a brainwashed fool.

          • JuJu Crafts

            Adaptation is not evolution … there is no full life of evolution proved of one species through to another, there are some ideas, some graphs, but no fullscale proof… that’s why it’s a ‘theory’ …

          • Jk

            There is 1million times more proof of evolution than there is of a god….or goddess.

    • JuJu Crafts

      Honestly, if anything, this type of interaction (with the billboard) might make a few people who are anti-religious a tiny bit smug and happy, but the direct and full result is that it makes those on the fence side with religion and those of religion stick their heels in deeper …

    • Jonathan

      HINT: I know it’s confusing, but if you want to be attacked for believing in fairy tale deities who live up in the sky, just walk right into a site named ‘news.atheists.com’, take a number, sit down and we’ll get right to you. On the other hand, if you want to share your views of living happily ever after in gingerbread houses next to lemonade streams without being challenged, look for sites with the characters ‘god’ or ‘jesus’ somewhere in the title.

  • Bill Nye

    People think its weird that my dad (56yrs old) still believes in Santa they tell me that he should see a Dr. or get help and i tell them you go to church is that not the same thing as believing in Santa . Its 2014 and we still believe tails there were wrote thousands of years ago pretty sad. and to the girl Nicole with the potty mouth this is not what makes the world go round it is actually due to gravitational pull from our sun and moon so if Santa does not bring you anything for that potty mouth than at least you learned yourself some information about Earth

    • JuJu Crafts

      He’s just telling you he still believes in Santa to either (1) carry forward a happy spirit of giving (2) because if he acts crazier you will leave him alone (3) he’s seen the man in red and we are all WRONG

  • Dave H.

    If you are going to call God a fairy tale, why is Santa not? Your argument collapses in on itself…

    • Jk

      I think you missed the sarcasm. They’re saying god is as fictitious as santa

  • Bill Nye

    Also If you have scientific proof of something than that would make it real . Not God works in mysterious ways or some christian nut case has an idea which would be an opinion which im pretty sure christian don’t get to have an opinion just keep handing over your 10% to some guy that is nuts or came up with a great plan while he was in jail to open a church pretty brilliant if you ask me. Its only a matter of time before religion is a joke anyways great Billboard merry X mas hope God is good to all of you this Holiday season although i herd from Zues that he is actually engineering another Earth like the one we live on so he may be busy

    • JuJu Crafts

      God doesn’t work so much in “mysterious ways” as He works in designed obedience, laws, actions and reactions …. although for whatever reason there are those that prefer to think that order comes from chaos … somehow …

  • roc walker

    I always wonder why you do not attack other religions with the same stress that you do the Christian faith? I would like for you to put up a billboard denying Islam and it’s holidays in Atlanta or maybe in St Louis. Also maybe produce some of those atheist videos for You Tube about the lies, and ignorance of the Muslim faith. And maybe blog some about Islam and how it is fake and that Mohammed never existed.

    • Jk

      I don’t think its necessary to attack Islam in America, we all know they’re a bunch of lunatics, but people accept Christians although ,why not as insane as Muslims, they’re still pretty bad.

      • JuJu Crafts

        so they only attack American Christians?

    • Jonathan

      But those YouTube videos and sites attacking Mohammad that you refer to are all over the web (even implying he was a sexual pervert). However, even if there were 20,000,000 of them out there, how would that make the fairy tale of Christianity even one iota more believable?

    • Wendy

      Because the Jews and Muslims don’t put up billboards. Therefore there’s no reason for a one of ours. Also they are not pushing their way into Public schools. They have separate schools for religious instructions the catholic’s do as well. Isn’t that what Sunday school is for? To teach your children what you want them to believe?

  • Bobbi Lee Williams

    I predict that the little girl in the billboard will some day become a born-again Christian. That’s how it works–force a child into any kind of belief, and you are likely to have a rebellion on your hands sooner or later.

    Meanwhile, I think this kind of negative attack message does a disservice to those of us who don’t want to be told what, how, why and when to think, but want to offer something rational, uplifting, benevolent and positive, outside the construct of supernatural beliefs.

    That’s why I don’t join any groups, whether political, religious or philosophical. I don’t want some guru, no matter what his/her teaching may be, speaking for me!

    There does not need to be a supernatural component in a thought system for it to spawn destructive fanaticism and create leaders who are basically regarded as some kind of living gods and goddesses who can do no wrong…history is full of these examples, from the Emperors of Rome to the Deities of Marxism to the Prophets of Science to the Lords of Finance, all of whom were and are Human, and thus, fallible.

    Atheists are not immune to this phenomenon either. I believe it’s a part of Human nature that has not changed over tens of thousands of years. We seem to seek leaders whom we can follow, even worship. We long to find the Truth, certain it’s there somewhere, inherent in some other person who is in reality no more perfect than we are.

    So far I have found some ideas that make sense to me, but I have not found that they are always carried out to perfection by the imperfect Beings who follow them. To some extent, I could describe myself as a Secular Humanist, but even there I resist being labeled. The best label I could put on myself is that I and my beliefs have certain foundations, including the vital importance of developing Empathy in Human nature. The rest is still under construction.

    What “Bob” said resonates with me: “People have a right to believe what they want. The only time that right should be infringed is if it affects the life, liberty, or general well-being of others.”

    That makes a lot of sense, with the caveat that in this crowded, interdependent global community, just about everything that anybody believes enough to act on is likely to affect everybody else in some way or other.

    I like the motto of a Religious Organization, Faithful America: “Love your neighbor. No exceptions.” Teachers, philosophers, and prophets have come up with some pretty good ideas throughout history. The only trouble is that so much gets lost in translation when lifestyles are founded on them. But do unto others as you would have them do unto you is one of many great precepts from diverse areas of thought that still seems like a damn good idea to me.

    • JuJu Crafts

      😀 you know … you’re probably right about the little girl .. as she gets older, things she was told she had to pose for or stand for … she will question — interesting to see where that would lead her

  • Jk

    Christians are so brainwashed that god itself could appear, tell them they’re completely wrong in there beliefs and they would still think they’re correct. All the evidence in the world won’t convince these idiots of anything.

    • JuJu Crafts

      what evidences do you speak of ?.. obviously I mean evidences that don’t include anything that requires intervention to sustainability and organized law …?

  • Random religious kid

    When I was a little girl, I didn’t want to go to church. I couldn’t sit still, and I didn’t understand what was preached, but as I got older, I listened to the preachings and I do believe in Jesus and Mary and God. I don’t yell at others because they are Islamic or Jewish. I don’t say that what they believe is wrong. Those are their beliefs. Why should I try to change who they are and how they live? Should I say “That’s make believe.” To anyone who believes in any religion because I don’t? Why do schools give Christmas Break off? Christmas is a religious holiday, not a family tradition. So here’s a question I would like to ask. ‘This article above says that religion is fine as long as you keep it to yourself. Religion shouldn’t be a part of your children’s lives because it is full of absurdity and they don’t understand the church, or the Bible, the Quran, or anything their parents believe. So here’s the question. If the religious push their view on you, and it seems you hate it to no end, why do you try to put your atheist views on us? Because you believe that a life without religion is best. Then those are your morals, your values. We wouldn’t try to change yours. So why must you change ours?

  • Does god exist?

    Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.

    I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don’t believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people…to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

    I didn’t realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn’t escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God’s existence, my prayer began with, “Ok, you win…” It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

    I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, “I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued.” C.S. Lewis said he remembered, “…night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England.”

    Lewis went on to write a book titled, “Surprised by Joy” as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God’s existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

    • JuJu Crafts

      “What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don’t believe even exists?! ” — excellent thought

  • Does God exist?

    Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

    Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you’ll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you’re looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

    He said, “I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”14 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, “follow my words and you will find truth.” He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me.”15

    What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can’t do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people…blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects…created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature…walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I’m telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you’re seeing.16

    Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.

    Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus’ death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, “I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you.”17This is God, in action.

    Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We’re told that “God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”18

    God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth’s perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.

  • sunny

    Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

    Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you’ll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you’re looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

    He said, “I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”14 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, “follow my words and you will find truth.” He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me.”15

    What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can’t do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people…blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects…created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature…walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I’m telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you’re seeing.16

    Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.

    Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus’ death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, “I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you.”17This is God, in action.

    Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We’re told that “God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”18

    God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth’s perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.

    • JuJu Crafts

      this existence is mostly about 2 things:
      obtaining a physical body
      developing faith
      (the experiences of those 2 things is what brings us into a greater understanding)

  • sunny

    Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

    Many examples showing God’s design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

    The Earth…its size is perfect. The Earth’s size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth’s surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

    The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth’s position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

    And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

  • sunny

    Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

    Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn’t change — on earth or in galaxies far from us.

    How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

    “The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn’t have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence.”11

    Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, “Why nature is mathematical is a mystery…The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.”12

    • Jk

      A lack of knowledge doesn’t mean by default , there’s a god. It just means we don’t know ,any one of a billion possibilities could be true. You Christians are the most arrogant, ignorant, close minded assholes alive.

      • JuJu Crafts

        But JK … just right up ^ on another post … you said “They were also a lot more ignorant 200 yrs ago, things change and we are more educated now….at least non Christians are.”

        • Jk

          Yes I did. Christians are one step above Muslims. That’s not saying much, though.

    • JuJu Crafts

      are you saying that things don’t randomly create life in a multitude of forms or stay in a state of organization without intervention? …

  • Tinarose

    I can only say that a judgement day is coming to all and every heart that has ever beat one time will stand before the one true Lord and Savior that so many say they don’t believe in. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess to him that is the truth …my job on this earth is only to tell you of his great love and grace and as wonderful as they are …that will not stop the judgement and it will be a sad sad day for all who turn a deaf ear.
    He died for all..I would not even want to live on this earth with all the turmoil without knowing my Lord.
    May God have Mercy for you truly know NOT what you do

    • Jk

      You Jesus freaks are the worlds biggest assholes.

      • JuJu Crafts

        … and your remark shows otherwise …

    • Jk

      I know exactly what I do, god better pray I have mercy on his ass. I don’t take kindly to fictitious entities.

  • Diviney

    Regardless of your stance, you cannot deny that America was founded by Christians as a Christian nation without skewing and rewriting history. Many will deny this but without a shred of evidence.

    • Jk

      They were also a lot more ignorant 200 yrs ago, things change and we are more educated now….at least non Christians are.

      • JuJu Crafts

        more educated LOLOLOL really?? you think we’re “intelligent” now ? a few facts and prescriptions does not intelligence make …

    • CheeseyPal

      Can you point me to where we were established as a “christian nation”? I can’t find anything in the constitution or bill or rights that says that. I did find something about “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”. Thank you.

  • Jk

    Christians are so unconscious that they don’t even realize that they’re worshiping evil demons. Just read 1 Samuel 15:1-3. The Christian god is a genocidal maniac, certainly NOT love.

    Tell me something. If the truth sets you free then what do you suppose lies do? Don’t you think you should start asking your religion who is really the god you follow? You may very well be supporting absolute evil and not even know it. After all, your bible does warn you of the wolf in sheep’s clothing, does it not? What if the church and the bible is a wolf in sheep’s clothing? Ever think of that?

    Why don’t you people just think for a minute what worshiping death, destruction, pain, suffering, slavery, torture, and every other psychotic thing you believe in before devoting yourself to some path. And not only that but how many Christians have ever grown younger or did what Jesus did? None, not one in 1700 years of the religion. That should tell you the religion is not true and is deceiving you. Time will tell.

    • JuJu Crafts

      People can be genocidal .. the teachings are about love and improvement of self

      • Jk

        Soooo….people flooded the Earth? I thought god did that….must have been some powerful and advance people back then.

        • CheeseyPal

          And don’t forget that god gave Lot’s wife the death penalty just for turning around and looking. That’s fair, right?

          And Job’s wife and kids were murdered just so that god could test Job’s faith, even thought this god is supposedly all knowing and therefore should already have known Job would pass the test? But, you know, it’s ok to sacrifice women and children for a bullshit test.

    • JuJu Crafts

      You did do research (at least a little I hope) on who the Amalekite’s were?.. “how many Christians … did what Jesus did?” what? maybe research Christian belief in Jesus … that would probably get you started on a better path than anything someone could state … and the teachings are actually the antonyms of your used adjectives – death (i.e. life eternal), destruction (eternal creation), pain (perfect existence without pain), suffering (free from pain and suffering), slavery (freedom from bondages (of a variety of kinds (not just physical)), torture (rewards) …. you might want to actually study up on it a bit before coming off like a ranting (trying to find a nice word … hmmm) … student of the universe … (hope that works).

      • Jk

        They were the original Muslim terrorists. The story of job, very loving, Moses? Another loving story. God is a sociopathic, genocidal maniac. Glad hes fictionary.

  • Ninja of reason

    I have found in my travels that reasoning with Christians ( or religious people of any kind ) is a near impossible feit. If you have been doctrined from a young age to believe something and live your life by that belief and that one book gives your existence meaning then of course you will do anything to cling on to that. I think what it boils down to is fear of death. Belief in a God who loves you and cares about you and will swoop u from your death bed directly to the pearly gates is a very human defence mechanism. Its wrong of course, but I get it.
    What I have a problem with is religious people imposing their will on society.
    But for the casual believer, my heart goes out to you and I hope one day you find the strength to accept the truth, that we just don’t know. Based on what we do know there is a good chance that this is it. And if that’s not good enough you should ask yourself why this life on its own merits isn’t good enough for you.

    • JuJu Crafts

      … but reasoning with Atheists is a piece of cake ?? LOL — how about you realize it’s the entired “reasoning with people” …

      • Ninja of reason

        Well mate, the difference is pretty obvious. You could argue with an atheist and all he will ever do is use the evidence he has around him as grounds for an argument ( whether u think he’s right or wrong ). arguing with Christian on the other hand is a tricky thing. Firstly they will reference what the bible says as evidence to the argument even though the integrity of the bible is paramount to the argument to begin with ( it’s an logical circle). Secondly, Christians have the conclusion already. They then try ( usually quite poorly ) to shape the argument and the ‘ evidence ‘ to determine the answer they want. Basically it’s doing a mathematical equation in reverse.
        As an atheist I didn’t wake up one morning and proclaim there’s no god! And then sit down and decide how I can make that claim work. This is the conclusion I’ve reached despite being born into a Christian family based in an u ignorable amount of evidence.
        It may be hard for you to argue with an atheist but reasoning with him is easy.

        • JuJu Crafts

          I’m sure that you realize that “scientific” explanations for most everything change constantly over periods of centuries … the wrong head on the T-Rex type of thing. There are several Laws (I think it’s fun that we consider them as man “discovered” truths (like Columbus “discovered” America)) that so far have been absolutely above reproach. These laws actually lean more to an organized and directed universe and “creation”?, than a haphazard one that popped into existence and chaotically formed into an organized pattern. I personally believe that the Bible is a fantastic book, some of it is inspired, but much of its original meaning and writings have been destroyed by multiple translations and by King James himself who threw out books, possibly by the hundreds, he didn’t want included, destroyed manuscripts, etc. (including those written by women unless it showed them in a non-prophetical situation). You state that Christians have a “conclusion already” … do you know many atheist who haven’t “concluded” that they will not believe in a God or deity or other beings directing what we call “all of creation”? I do agree that many religious people have a difficult time trying to explain the “whys” of religion .. but equally, when I see someone trying to fill in the blanks of science…. it looks very fairytale-like to me…even when there is a theory that could have potential, they try to present it as an absolute truth. I do think discussion is needed in all aspects to make any of us consider that we “surprisingly” might be wrong in our decisions. What if someone in the scientific community published their findings that there is a directing force, one that can heal the body, increase the mind, actually cause literal and real intervention to better the life of an individual (or animal even) and that there is a previously undetected half to each human existence, a substance so pure that it is pure intelligence, a form of energy that is indestructible and continues on to a new state of existence after the body dies… what if that scientist told the community, the proof is in yourself, would you seek it? or simply try to disprove it?

  • Sheri

    It’s sad to me that people can say any other word on earth EXCEPT Jesus…when His name is brought up, people get angry and start trying to say He was a myth. He wasn’t a threatening person. He was the Word made flesh who came and lived among us. I don’t want to start an argument, but it takes a whole lot more faith to not believe than it does to believe. Jesus loves all of us–whether you believe in Him or not.

    The other thing is that I don’t understand why there is a group who doesn’t believe that is so committed to making sure others never believe either. Why not live and let live? If you don’t want to believe, you don’t have to…He gives us that choice. But why actively campaign against Him? The campaigning is really just making a case for Him…if He didn’t exist, there wouldn’t be a reason to actively campaign against Him. I love people because He first loved me–yes, I even love people who are mean to me. I know that they would be different if they knew Jesus. Walking in darkness isn’t any fun…I did it most of my life. I pray that you will all seek Him out for yourselves. Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty.

    • Jk

      The campaign is against ignorance, not Jesus. We get angry because it’s not enough for you to believe, you try to spread your ignorance, you try to use it in politics and law making, you’re disrespectful to other cultures and religions and you ignore historical facts. By “you”, I mean Christians. We are trying to inform the ignorant, but you are all too far gone and brainwashed to listen and learn a thing.

      • JuJu Crafts

        Nope … pretty much against Christians … can you send me links of billboards put up against other religions by this group?

    • Jonathan

      Yes, the irreverent, anti-religious comments are pretty shocking in here aren’t they?

      It’s just a hunch and I could be wrong of course, but I think site names like ‘news.atheists.org’ can often provide a bit of a clue. I’ve noticed the same phenomena (this time predominantly praising Jesus) on other sites called ‘bible hub.com’ and ‘catholic.org’ etc.

  • ALSACIEN aux USA

    Joozs attack Chrismas in France too, now. They do anything to destroy Christianism and make us anti-semites but promote islamism and immigration in USA and Europe. I am so happy of the wave of nationalism in Europe, i stand with Putin and russia. I hope Christian go to say to the joozs one day, F^%K YOU, and go in Israel!

    • JuJu Crafts

      yeah … I really couldn’t make much sense of that at all ..not sure if it was the “JOOOOOOOOz” part or the incomplete thoughts in the sentences, that threw me … probably just my lack of comprehension … I couldn’t even tell if we’re on the same side or not …

  • Aleister Mjolnir

    If these “Athiests” (wink,wink) are so dead set against religion, where are their bill boards attacking Muslims?
    “All I want for Ramadan is to skip going to the Mosque!”
    Or,..
    “All I want for Chanukakah is to stay home from Synagogue.”

    • Jk

      Cuz we all know Muslims are crazy idiots, Christians try to hide it.

      • Aleister Mjolnir

        What about Jews? I bet their wonderful religion gets a free pass right? You guys aren’t anti religious. You are anti Christian. It’s simple to see.

        • Jk

          Jews aren’t as bad as Christians, just like Christians aren’t as bad as Muslims, but ok, fuck the Jews too. Feel better?

        • Jk

          All I want for Chanukah is a money tree, feel better?

          • Jonathan

            Oh, ROFL. Brilliant! Love your “feel better” posts 🙂

    • Jk

      “All I want for Ramadan is to cut the heads off of 72 non virgins”….feel better?

    • CheeseyPal

      Arabic Billboard Promotes Atheist Convention to Ex-Muslims
      There, feel better?

  • disqus_oI3kLcS4YC

    isnt Santa a Fairy tale?

    • Jk

      Yes, just like god, you don’t get the sarcasm?

    • JuJu Crafts

      St. NICK was real!!!! 😀

  • Kimberly Buchanan Duncan

    This is very offensive to me. My God is real and I have the freedom to believe in whom ever and what ever I want. and believe that you also have freedom to not believe in whom ever and what ever you choice,but this billboard is attacking my religious freedom.

    • Jk

      Christians attack everyone constantly

      • JuJu Crafts

        by this site I see the opposite

    • Ninja of reason

      Kimberly, just imagine hypothetically, that your father passed away. Now some time goes by but your mother isn’t coping well. In fact she reaches a level of denial that she refers to him when talking to you as if he is alive and even talks to him like he’s there in the room. Now this is obviously a defence mechanism and her subconscious is protecting her from what would be a very saddening reality. Now would you think this normal and a healthy way for her to go on or would you be concerned that she’s notcoping properly?
      Some atheists can be a little full on but at the end of the day when such a population of your society is under such a delusion ( despite the fact that it might comforting and make you feel good ) it’s still concerning. I’m sorry for the darkness of the analogy but it’s a good one none the less.
      Your God may feel very real to you but I promise that if you look at the evidence and use your human logic u will see there is a pretty good chance that there is no personal God and absolutely 0% chance that the God of the bible exists. It might be scary at first but you will feel so liberated and you can live ur life with so much more fulfilment.

      • JuJu Crafts

        scientifically, theoretically, spiritually … yes there are some directions of spirituality that go in odd directions, but science and theory are so limited and inadequate — when you actually have had things happen and spiritual communications you suddenly realize …”woah … ok it’s real” — but you will never be able to have another believe it – you can tell others your experiences till your lips bleed, but until they want to know the truth and seek it out on their own and have their own experiences, they just stay in ignorance …

        • Ninja of reason

          The brain is a complex things and we see things and feel things that we perceive to be significant or meaningful. That is a natural human reaction. We are pattern seeking mammals. That is just how we are wired. Things like logic and reason are there as a control. Otherwise it would be very easy to be fooled or mislead by wishful delusions. I will tell you right now, feeling are not a good source for truth.
          I’m very interested to hear what spiritual communication you have experienced. But I would be pretty surprised if I couldn’t think of a reasonable explanation.
          As for science being inadequate, well your standard of information about life that would’ve considered adequate must be a little unrealistic. I mean, we know so much about the natural world down to the finest detail. The only thing that humans have yet to understand is before the Big Bang. Everything else in life can be explained. Will u not be happy till science finds out everything there is to know!?
          If these were your just ur feelings and nothing else then I wouldn’t have an issue. But it’s people with feelings like yours that are trying to teach creationism to our children in the classroom. People who are ruled by their wishful delusions and don’t have presence of mind to rationalise despite their feelings, intuitions and whatever else. It may seem harmless to you but this kind of lazy thinking has stunted the intellectual progress of mankind. It’s poisonous.

          • JuJu Crafts

            Feelings are obviously based on the person. There are true feelings, feelings that are needed to aid us in advancing and growing, there’s the “mother’s intuition”, and then there are just things that pop in our minds … those are not what I’m talking about.
            Many people have had direct experiences, sometimes there have been hundreds of people present, when these are mentioned or documented they are immediately discarded – if historical, they are written off as lunacy or translation errors, or just simply fictitious by those who do not believe in such things — each person must decide what is the source of the communication they are receiving or experiencing … is it from another source of guidance? or is it their own mind (some extreme form of evolution “given” only to humans and no other organism)? … I’ve had some experiences that I do know have not been a source of my own feelings, some that simply (not always verbal communication but actual events) that have led me to my belief system – If I told them to a person who does not share my beliefs or that was not present, they will simply discard them or think of me as a less intelligent being than themselves (probably a result of their own mental self-defense mechanisms) so they do not have to find a place for the situation in their own belief system. That’s why I firmly believe that you can not share thoughts or experiences that have amplified personal beliefs in deity or a directing external force, each person must make that decision on their own … there are many many purely scientific minds that later believe in deity because they sought answers and found them outside of the “human experience”.

          • Ninja of reason

            Well if your not willing to even give an example of a ‘ direct experience ‘ then how am I meant to even take it into account? I’m not doubting that people believe what they experience is genuinely supernatural. I just think it probably isn’t. and I am curious to what you can tell me about hundreds of people having a supernatural experience at the same time. The only thing I’ve ever seen is a lot of people in church, falling over and speaking in tongues. ( which by the way is quite obviously the power of suggestion which Darren Brown could better with some of his most trivial of party tricks )
            Like I said before, the mind is a complex thing which, over billions of years, has developed through such tiny mutations from ancestor to ancestor that it has become something capable of chemical reaction causing such feelings as emphathy and other complicated feelings that give is an elision of purpose. It is hard to imagine that everything that we observe in the world works so perfectly by accident, but the beautiful thing about evolution my natural selection is that if something didn’t work it would it be here. We only exist because we function and fit into the world. If that stops happening for whatever reason we will become extinct like 99.9% of all species that ever existed. People find this hard to believe but if you learn a little about evolution and especially probability it will make a lot more sense.
            At the end if the day, you are free to believe what you want. But if you are gonna ask me to just trust you because you have had an experience and know something I don’t but can’t explain it to me, I will say no. Do not ask me to believe nonsense and do not try to impose your nonsense on my society, on my children’s school education or on my countries laws. I’ve never been offended by anyone personal beliefs just so long as they remain personal.

          • JuJu Crafts

            By that standard, those who feel the “THEORY” of evolution is inaccurate and don’t want it taught to their children should not have to endure it either.

            A few examples of such things that I’m referencing: people with terminal illness (I personally know of one case (not just internet hype – yet there are MANY similar cases) who had stage 4 cancer, proven, had tests at over 3 facilities bloodtest, mass found on MRI and on XRAYs, decided to go in for surgery and opt out of chemotherapy received a blessing the night before surgery – doc opens them up — completely gone, bloodwork normal taken within a matter of hours — a puppy in an accident that was injured, broken legs crying out in pain, internal bleeding, vets recommend that the puppy be euthanized, after a decision to put the puppy down the owner asks for a blessing from those that hold the Priesthood (that were with her at the vet) on the puppy accepting that nothing might happen, more for self-soothing if nothing else, during the blessing the puppy stops crying, hands removed, puppy walks and wags tail, I had that dog for 14 years afterward, I remember the vet who was not present for the blessing as they had already left the room – re-entered, confused, shaking their head literally sat down and said “I … don’t know” and walked out.
            Plagued by a perforated eardrum, healed immediately during prayer … these are all … just mine … but I am not alone … there are many … thousands .. most don’t want to put them to the public because there’s always those who will say, You’re lying, that’s made up, there’s other reasons … granted, I don’t know the difference in what happens that one person has experiences and others don’t. I’ve met people of great intense faith, who haven’t had anything of that sort happen to them, maybe it didn’t have to, I don’t know. I’ve seen people beg, to no avail. What I do know, is that I’ve seen and felt and experienced enough on my own, that I would die for my belief in my God – not because of what anyone else has said or done … but because of my own experiences in my personal dealings and seeking Him out. Sometimes, you know the message you have received in your heart, isn’t from your own mind …

          • Jonathan

            I love getting my laughs by reading Christian posts about how, when they die, they’ll live happily ever after in their gingerbread houses next to lemonade streams and singing Kumbaya, but you’re starting to push the BS limits to the extreme now.

            Now, let me challenge your claim about the patient with stage 4 cancer that miraculously vanished after a ‘blessing’ the night before. You do realise that in the ENTIRE HISTORY of humanity not a single case of the miraculous cures you describe has ever been verified, don’t you? NOT ONE!

            I guarantee that if the medical images and all the testimonies of the treating physicians had been taken to the news media, the story would’ve been splashed on the front page of every newspaper on the entire planet. Millions and millions of unbelievers would have instantly been converted, and you’d have done the best act of evangelicalism that your Lord and Saviour commands you to do anyway. But you people always have an excuse waiting for when atheists ask to see the color of your money, don’t you? In this case you didn’t want to “put it to the public” because the doubters would accuse you of making it up.

            It’s still not too late of course, but … oh let me guess … the images have since been accidentally lost or destroyed!

    • Jonathan

      How is it attacking your freedom, Kimberley? It’s just the image of a child claiming SHE’S too old to believe in fairy tales. Help me out here and tell me where it says YOU can’t continue to go to church and believe in talking snakes anymore? I must have missed that part.

    • Jk

      Christians take that freedom from their kids. That’s what the billboard is about…letting kids choose for themselves.

  • Debbie

    My heart hurts for people who do not know the Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus…..I don’t know how you can do this life without Him. Just like at the beauty of the world and the sky at night
    God sent His Son to this earth to redeem us from our sin (sin is anything God doesn’t like) by dying on the cross and the raising from the dead in three days. The Bible says you don’t have to believe but there is a day of judgement that will come where “every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.” I would dare you to start to read the Bible and ask God to reveal Himself to You. He says “those who seek Him will find Him”……God loves you and you were made to worship HIm. Please understand I have seen miracles of healing of illnesses when the doctors can’t explain why the person is healed….I have seen how His hand has directed my life and lead me to jobs and people who I needed in my life for help that can not be explained……I know He loves I pray that you seek Him too

    • Jk

      You’re insane

      • JuJu Crafts

        hmmm what if she’s not the only one that has seen instantaneous healings after prayers when medical professionals have announced no possibility of improvement, or curbed imminent disasters, extreme conditions, or even more impressive “non-scientific” … shall we call them “incidents” that have saved lives on a mental, physical, emotional, spiritual levels… what if only the people who haven’t had the experiences are the ones calling her “insane” … hmmm?

        • Jk

          We don’t know the power of the mind, but worship me or my father will torture you for eternity? Disgusting! Glad it’s all sci-if….minus the sci.

  • Eddie Bishop

    Someone please debate me on evolution. PLEASE!

    • Ninja of reason

      For or against ?

      • Eddie Bishop

        Definitely FOR. I want someone to try to disprove the theory of evolution. I bet if someone tried to disprove it, I can shut down their argument easily.

        • Ninja of reason

          Then you’re out of luck my friend

        • Ninja of reason

          Then you are out of luck my friend

    • JuJu Crafts

      you mean how one speck climbed out of primordial ooze and created life but not just one life that managed to live through a variety of environmental and toxic changes but then managed to mate with itself or by SURPRISE another one crawled out and it could reproduce with it and again SURPRISE while they were adjusting to all the changes of life, growth, and environment they were amazingly reproducing and existing and changing WITHOUT death UNTIL suddenly they mutated and continued to be able to exist and make changes until there were millions and millions of creatures that existed and made the necessary changes to adjust and create not only new life but new creatures without any intelligence, and then they learned to protect young and make changes to be able to eat only certain plants and life (well, obviously they lived and existed while making these changes without death as well because we know it takes millions of years for these changes (evolutionists tell us so) and then suddenly one of those life forms increased sooooo dramatically that they created technology!!! and we can type on computers today!! sadly, it was only one of the creations that could do it … oh wait … creations is the wrong word … and be able to understand that adaptation is not evolution .. evolution is the creation of new species … YES please go on …

      • Jk

        You’re so correct. Evolution is a fantasy. Growing women from ribs of men, talking snakes, zombies…errr I mean Jesus coming back from the dead, putting two of every species on boat, and virgin births…..these are the facts and evolution is fantasy.

        • JuJu Crafts

          First of all, most of scripture is written in symbolism … aka made of the same substances, an adversary and much has been translated from a variety of languages and no… it wasn’t 2 of every species … (please read and become knowledgeable at least a little before you spout) – in generals … 7 of unclean kinds 6 of clean kinds (i.e. 6 canines, 7 swine, 6 felines …) … but by all means, if you wish to have the religion that you were made of toxic muddy ooze … lol … go for it … cuz… that’s soooo believable.

  • Jk

    Worship me or my father will torture you for eternity.
    Sincerely
    Jesus

    • JuJu Crafts

      study more …maybe start with “sons of perdition” … well .. hmmm maybe that’s a little to deep for ya too … those who know beyond any doubt but still deny …. well .. I’ll let you learn as you go … sounds like you’ve been reading the chat on an MMO or something … reach for a little deeper knowledge

  • Leo

    Atheists believe in Santa? You know he doesn’t exist right? Embarrassing, don’t you think? Some may even say delusional. You should free your mind from the shackles in society that infringe on your God given right to choose not to believe in Santa.

    • Jk

      It shouldn’t surprise me that you don’t get the sarcasm since you believe in god. Santa is as real as god.

  • sk

    I’m a non-American atheist who cam here via an article on journalism. I had no but seeing the comments of the Christians here I now think it’s necessary. The fact that billboard companies would turn away business because of retribution is scary.That means their’s a lack of safety for atheists or those promoting atheism.I’m pretty sure refusing service on the basis of religion or lack thereof is an anti-discrimination issue. How would Christians like like it if non-Christians prevented them from doing so, (putting a billboard)in a place which isn’t majority-Christian?Then obviously the bogeyman of Christian persecution would Be raised (if Christians could not put up billboards saying X religion is wrong/heathen and salvation lies with our belief system).

    • JuJu Crafts

      oh bullcrap … has nothing to do with the safety of atheists .. it means they don’t want to lose money

  • White

    Have you ever heard of an “anti-racist” organization targeting anyone other than white people for “racism?”
    Have you ever heard of an “anti-racist” organization protecting white people from racism.
    Have you ever heard of an “anti-racist” organization saying something was “too black, “too asian,” “too arab,” and demanded more “Diversity?”
    “Diversity” means chasing down the last white person.
    It’s genocide.
    “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white.

  • Cara

    Personally, I love this billboard. I live just outside St. Louis and see it everyday to and from work. It makes me smile.

    • JuJu Crafts

      Curious, why do you like it when any group demeans another?

      • Jk

        Are you a hypocrite? Christians demean non Christians constantly.

        • JuJu Crafts

          some do, I disagree with that as a group — however, that isn’t the religion, that’s the people … so according to your statement then … they hurt my feelings sooooo I’m going to try and hurt theirs … sounds like whining to me

          • Jk

            Your bogus god says believe and follow or burn. Sounds like demeaning non Christians to me.

    • Jonathan

      Yeah. I’m from Australia and I can’t resist getting my daily fix of humour from it too 😉

  • JuJu Crafts

    If you can’t walk past exhibits of beliefs (whether a nativity scene, a menorah, a lighted tree, a man bowing on the streets praying to the east, a goat headed being, a mishumaa saba, a star in a circle, a statue of a goddess holding a bow, house covered in lights, star of David, pictures of Einstein, or any such display) and simply allow all to worship in whatever way pleases them (that doesn’t include violence obviously), without trying to act all offended, dramatic, and want everyone to bow to your expectations in what you think is politically correct, then expect me to tell you that yes, indeed, you are a self-centered, hypocritical idiot who simply seeks out reasons to get attention. Your attempt at trying to have other’s freedoms squelched is a violation of their freedoms. If you are offended by such scenes, then deal with your own pride, inadequacies & “control-freak” nature. Because someone publicly expresses their beliefs doesn’t add the requirement that you have to accept that belief as your own or that your beliefs are invalid. Find enjoyment in all the varieties of the peoples of the earth. Allow others to express themselves, focus on what you have in common, not in your differences, try to be at peace with all people. There’s a lot we can learn from each other

    • Jonathan

      So why doesn’t all of the above apply to YOU not being able to walk past atheist forums without trying to inflict your self-induced psychosis on us? Are you a “self-centred, hypocritical idiot simply seeking out reasons to get attention”? Maybe you need to deal with your own pride, inadequacies & “control freak” nature.

      But in any case, the Holy Babble expressly states that women should learn from us men in silence and with all subjection. Instead of spending your days hanging around in this forum preaching to us what is right, shouldn’t you be at home washing the dishes and scrubbing the floors or something? If you were my wife, I would verily smite you with a rod on a daily basis.

  • JuJu Crafts

    What if the billboard said, “Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is to not have to see homosexuals on TV or in public, I’m too young to see atrocities of nature? ” “Dear Santa, please remove all the people of color from my environment, I’m to young to be a victim of crime” “Dear Santa, please stop all the Muslim women from covering their heads, I’m to young to think I’m not equal to a man?” … seriously ?? … if they want to attract more positive attention to their beliefs (or Not beliefs) — why do they have to be negative toward another group? and why only target Christians — do Atheist not have issues with Muslims, Jews, Canadians?

    • Jk

      Everyone knows Muslims are batshit crazy, Jews are harmless, Christians spread bigotry and ignorance. It’s cool to believe what you want, but Christians think there beliefs should be law.

      • JuJu Crafts

        and atheists don’t?

        • Jonathan

          No. Get back to us when they start printing “In God We Distrust” on banknotes etc.

        • Jk

          How is educating ,spreading lies and and ignorance? You don even know the facts about your own religion.

  • Joy

    Jesus is the life and the truth and the way. I have God’s spirit in me.

    • Jk

      Well., that’s not an arrogant comment, now is it.

      • JuJu Crafts

        Speaking of arrogance ^ ^ ^

  • Joy

    I have such an amazing relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus. He is my Lord and my God and my King and my true best friend. Jesus is our Lord and having His presence and The Holy Spirit come upon me is greater than anything here on Earth. Jesus loves all of us and nothing or no one can ever take His place. I love Jesus, He is everything and I can never be without Him!

    • Jk

      I just hope you don’t love your imaginary friend more than your real ones.

  • JuJu Crafts

    Atheists — stand your ground! Tell your bosses you will NOT accept ANY holiday time off, you will NOT accept overtime pay or pay at 1.5 times for this horrendous holiday if they do allow you to work. If they force you to take more money, give it to charity (obviously not any of the ones with religious backings)! If they require you to take the time off regardless, go spend that exact amount of time working at a non-religious charitable organization. If your child’s
    school district has holiday time off – teach those values to your children,
    show them that they will study the exact amount of time every school day. Don’t
    you let that horrible holiday make you change your lives! No lights no glitter
    in your house….If somebody says “Merry Christmas” tell them to mind their own d*** business, you will NOT be MERRY .. …. yeah – right, I see this everyday (….NOT) .. way to live your
    values…

    • Jonathan

      Well, only if YOU refuse the same benefits for the NON-RELIGIOUS holidays of New Years Day, Martin Luther King’s Birthday, Washington’s Birthday, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Veterans Day and Thanksgiving Day.

      I mean, I’ve never seen any of the talking snake believers engaging in supreme hypocrisy … oh, wait … yes I have.

      • JuJu Crafts

        WHY? I believe in all those things that pertain to New Years Day, Martin Luther King’s Birthday, Washington’s Birthday, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Veterans Day and Thanksgiving Day — I celebrate them too … just because someone is religious or spiritually minded doesn’t mean they didn’t think Martin Luther King was a great man, love America! seriously … think before you speak … uh … type.

    • Jk

      Christmas to me is a time to be with family. I guess christmas is the wrong term since it’s actually the winter solstice/Yule. That’s why I don’t belong to a group, I do what I want. I dislike most atheists too, they mostly over liberal turds that ignore evolution when it’s not politically correct.

    • CheeseyPal

      Happy Festivus, for the rest of us!

      (turn down a day off with pay? I’m an atheist, not an idiot) And there’s no decorative lights or glitter or dead trees in my house.)

  • Jk

    Worship me or my father will torture you for eternity!

    Sincerely,

    Jesus

    • CheeseyPal

      because he is a just and caring god, right?

      He is also an all-powerful god. Just the other day, the new police chief in Ferguson claimed that the two officers that were shot were alive by the “grace of god”. Isn’t it amazing that this god could adjust the laws of physics and medicine to let these two officers survive gun shots? Of course some skeptics would have you believe that if god were truly all-powerful, then god would have made the bullets miss altogether, but hey, now we’re just nit picking, right?

  • yourgoingtohell

    My favorite quote of all time: “There are no atheists in hell….”

    • PeterPiperPickedAPickledPepper

      How do you know? You got hard evidence, or just blowin’ smoke?

      • Jk

        There are no atheists in hell cuz hell is fictitious …..duh

    • PeterPiperPickedAPickledPepper

      One of mine is: “If god made us in his own image, how come we’re not invisible?”

      There are thousands more because this childish, embarassing belief in fairies makes itself such a big target.

    • GodwatchedYourMomMasturbate

      “Is man one of God’s blunders, or God one of man’s blunders”

      • Jk

        The bible is a sci fi novel that a bunch of idiots think is real.

  • Suzy

    Honestly, from the what I hear of the billboard’s design, it was more likely to harm than help the cause. Though they say they are targeting adults, they instead portrayed a child. It mentions in the article how distrustful the people are in the south of atheists, and campaigns like that are not going to help any. Kids don’t hate church because they think jesus is fake, they think church sucks because its boring. I feel the message should have been brought over in a different way. If you are targeting adults, you should have used adults. And if the girl doesnt believe in fairytales, why is she writing to santa? it’s just confusing.

    • PeterPiperPickedAPickledPepper

      An xtian spokesperson already complained about atheists exploiting kids. However the irony is it’s a takeoff of the xtian one floating around featuring a 3yo girl. Talk about hipocrisy!

      And kids don’t get to decide for themselves if jesus is a fake. The parents get to make that call for them.

  • Jk

    Religion is nothing more than superstitions passed down by those who saw things thousands of years ago that they couldn not explain and assumed it was supernatural. Now, morons use it as a moral compass

  • Jk

    Its official, christians are uneducated idiots. No need for further discussion.

  • Ladymixalot

    Well if you don’t believe in Jesus why are you celebrating his birthday??????

  • Paula

    This is offensive to me,We do not put up big signs that say all Atheists are crazy,ect.We don’t say you have to believe,if you don’t like it fine,but stay out of our religion,and quit stirring things up,because you just may doing us a favor.I see more Christians filled up with your meddling and starting to fight back.

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